I just join the table and notice there are 3 super aggro lags and 3 of the biggest calling stations at the casino and two nits (all villains are regs).
To me, this is a dream table; I have only 1-2 other players that play a tag style like myself and half calling stations and half LAGs.

What normally ends up happening in my experiences on these tables, is the stations and LAGs end up stacking each other and rebuying to a point where everyone of them ends up having a stack of $1000+. I just bought in hence the effective stack size.

Effective Stacks-$200

Villains:
sb-Nit 1
bb-Super aggro 1
UTG-Hero(JJ)
UTG+1-Station 1
MP1-Station 2
MP2-Nit 2
HJ-Station 3
CO-Super aggro 2
BTN-Super aggro 3

Preflop
Hero limps
UTG+1 limps
MP1 limps
MP2 limps
HJ limps
CO raise to $12
BTN calls
Sb calls
bb calls
Whole table calls.

Flop:~$100

J63
sb checks
bb checks
Hero - checks
UTG+1 checks
MP1 checks
MP2 checks
HJ checks
CO bets $20
BTN calls
sb calls
bb calls
Hero - ?

Would you have reraised pf and if not would have bet or raise when action gets back to you?


I will post turn and river later because doing so it will give away the results too soon.

I would have raised preflop instead of limping. Given that you limped I would have rerasied. Since the CO is a super LAG we're well ahead of his range. Since the button and blinds just called we figure to be ahead of them as well.

On the flop I would have lead out for fear of it checking around. As played, I would raise all in now. The CO made a weak bet and everyone just called so we figure to have the best hand and even if someone is slow playing a flopped flush we'll still make our boat 1/3 of the time.

In summary: I would have bet or raised in every situation in which you checked or called.

Raise preflop why limp utg? I don't like limp/ raise jj utg. Also as played crai on the flop.
Not to flame but your style seems more tight passive than tag

Also, if you claim to have 3 calling stations to act right behind u, why not just raise a bit more and isolate and against these players? Seems like you played your JJ like a small pocket pair.

i am reraise preflop to atleast $80 (Pot at the point $60). And shoving on the flop with the flop mentioned.

Hate the limping pre. raise it up after super aggro makes it 12,i'd make it 70 since btn and blinds called. and im going with this flop obv...

as played, raise and get it in imo..so much money already in da pot

While one could argue that you should raise pf for "value" I know that the literally the whole table will call my raise and with ~100 in the pot OOP the whole hand there are very few flops that will be favorable.

I am in the camp of rr on the flop though, this hand turned out to be a slowplay gone good but when I look back on it if I had reraised on the flop I would have only gone one caller and thats being generous.

Heres what happened:

Flop:~$100

J63
sb checks
bb checks
Hero - checks
UTG+1 checks
MP1 checks
MP2 checks
HJ checks
CO bets $20
BTN calls
sb calls
bb calls
Hero calls
UTG+1 folds
MP1 calls
MP2 calls
HJ calls

Turn:~270
3
checks around

River:
9

Now I felt this was an interesting spot, I didnt want to bet and possibly fold out certain hands but I also didnt want it to check around again if I did check, but i began to think that if almost the whole table called on that flop then SURELY SOMEONE has a . According to everyone posting in the thread I suppose this is non standard but meh.
Fireworks insued shortly after.

sb checks
bb checks
hero checks
MP bets $30
MP1 raises to $75
HJ raises to $200
CO raise to $2235 and is all-in
BTN Calls
sb folds
bb folds
Hero folds...... Lol the look on your face.......Hero calls
MP1 folds
MP1 calls
HJ calls

Showdown

Hero JJ Full house Jacks full of threes
MP1 Q 9 Queen High flush
HJ K 8 King High flush
CO A J Ace High Flush
BTN 10 A 10 High Flush

What I wanted to discuss was what would you suggest your pf raise size be for players that will call any reasonable sized raise pf for those of who are saying to raise pf? and why?

Like I said I played the hand very non standard and very different from the norm but reraising all in pf would just pick up the dead money(although these players are loose they arent going to call a shove pf with anything less than QQ+ or AK)

Whats weird is that I would have insta raised online compared to about a 80% raise 20% limp live. Its just the times that I choose to do the 20% option or "passive" play on hands sometimes flames come spewing.

Dislike the limp UTG. Would like to see a $10/12/14 raise.

As played with an opinion on a $ amount for a reraise preflop:

1) All-in

Bad as you're likely to only get called when you're flipping at best.

2) A pot size raise of $60-75

Not that great either with jacks and similar to an all-in. You're committing 40% of your stack, but do you have a plan if station 1-2 or nit 2 go all-in?

With the limp, I think your call is the best play.

I think I flat the flop and hope the board pairs usually, with the whole table involved someones usually got two clubs and you have 2 J's so its unlikely theres anything else that can pay you off.

Pre flop I would usually re raise however, everyone flatting and limp-calling means QQ-AA are eliminated except for the CO, and he's usually going to raise atleast $15 with those limpers, I'd assume.

Reading that hand makes me sick to my stomach.

I don't think you really posted for advice. You say you play TAG, but this hand doesn't show it.

Glad it worked out for you. Here's an "atta-boy". Enjoy the winnings.

I didnt post to brag? Why would I post all that to boast about winning 3 bi in one hand? I was posting it because people on here always feel hands should be played a certain way and I played it completely opposite from the norm and was wondering the thoughts on a non standard line. Which is why I didnt want to post the results.

Something I don't get in your thinking... You say you did not want to raise UTG "because everyone and their dog would call", so you limp, it gets raised away and you call along with everyone else and their dog... Does not compute...

The thinking ITT is all over the place...

Thoughts on your line...

Meh, it worked out OK this time, mostly because of the way the cards fell, not because of anything special/different you did. Limp/calling with a BPP from EP is a few steps down the road to a tendency that many losing players exhibit, slow playing, trapping, afraid they are going to lose.

Based on the description of the table (LAGs and Stations) there is no reason to not raise in this hand. So what if everyone and their dog calls. With the LAGs on the table and the calling stations, why not expect to get 3-bet with callers, then flat and play poker?

The hand could have very well have gone, you raise, get four callers, you bet or check the flop, flat any bet to keep any one card flushes in and to use pot control against flopped flushes. Bet the turn and then when the four card flush hits the river c/r those one card flushes. In the end it all works out about the same in terms of the pot.

That's a tough hand but with the way it played out, you were almost guaranteed to get everyone's stacks in the end no matter how you played it. Thank the poker gods for tripling you up without much of a thought involved.

in a live game I like to play some hands the "non-standard" way every now and then too... good for the meta game when you flip something no one had a clue you had... much easier to get paid off on other hands, especially if you are running hot. When I'm getting very playable cards every other hand, I will limp or raise with big cards, just to mix it up. you already start looking like a maniac already, might as well look like an idiot too, then they classify you as "fish" and pay you off bigger when you have it.

The great thing about the live game is there is no such thing as "TAG"... TAG doesnt win the big pots, being unreadable and unpredictable DOES.

Example: I flopped K trips against 2 others... min-bet $5 to give the flush draws their odds... did it all 3 streets, turn and river both brick, busted flush draw with low pair takes my $5 river bet, raises over the top for about $40, I re-raise again, she calls and is floored that I took half her stack after I had her from the beginning. After that she was scared of me and would fold just about anything to a $5 bet... unless she had it, in which case i got a super-cheap getaway!

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u messup preflop.. I mean why not RR at this point and just take the pot down or thin the field. Now you have to play post flop. At this point you have top set but someone could have flopped a flush on that board. I would call for pot control now and evaluate the turn. If the board pairs then u can put some money in the pot and u know they will call u or even raise u if they do have a flush.

Enjoy your win and where is this game where people call with T high flushes

I didn't say you posted to brag. Interesting that you jumped to that conclusion. Maybe there's something there.

What a LOL hand.

1) i want in on this game table!
2) raise pre! if everyone calls all the time, adjust your bet sizing. if you raise to $20 pre and everyone calls, make it $25 the next time. raising preflop here makes all your subsequent decisions easier.

I think this thread must be a level.

Every time it was your turn to act you made a bad decision.

But I would love to see how the hand went if the turn blanked, rather than paired the board.

wow where was this because everyone is this hand is horrible, and i would love to play there. You are not TAG by any means you are Tight passive and everyone else is Loose passive, god everyone played this hand horrible it hurts just to read this.

I agree. No one would have raised/bet on turn? Hardly

I doubt this hand actually happened. At least not all of it