Hero MP $360
villian utg+1 $500

Villian is a reg who generally plays to loose, although he has been owning me as of lately. Last week played a 300bb pot with him when he bet $30 into $40 pot with a flush draw and I raised him $90 with top 2 and he shoved for $160 more and got there. After the hand he made a comment about knowing I was strong but he couldn't fold.

Villian limps utg+1, hero raises to $8 w JsJc, everyone else folds, villian calls.

J4 T pot17

villian checks hero bets $16, at this point I feel villian could have any draw or any pair.

Turn: 8 pot47

villian checks hero bets $20 villian raises to $60 hero calls. I obviously don't like the CR here but have to think villians range consists of more than Q9 or 79. Pot $167

river: 5

villian bets $80 pot$247 hero???

This bet definatly tells me he has a good hand in his opinion but not sure if it has to be the nuts. I have seen him make bluffs but not sure if he would take this line with a FD or value bet a worse hand. Opinions?

Is this a level? On that river you should be hoping he grabs as many chips as possible so you can raise and get the rest! His c/r on the turn is also a dream for you, blank turn and he has re-opened the betting, iv no idea why you would flat and let a scary card roll off that either kills your action or gives you the losing hand

The purpose of the your $20 bet on the turn is?
If it is to induce a call by a worse hand, you hit paydirt, so now reraise.
If that was not the purpose either:

1) check for pot control, which I don't like because any staright card or heart will freeze you hear.

2) bet $50 and see what happens next time.

Your $20 bet looks like you missed the flop with AK so your read of one pair or two pair seems sensible. Raise him all in and see if he wants to play.

The $8 preflop raise with JJ seems weak unless you are playing small ball and cautious and then playthe hand that way.

Otherwise bet $13 to $16 and then the flop bet escalates the money quicker.

Just to add, the way he played the other hand you described he plays his draws aggressively and you will win the majority. He may have had a combo draw on the flop but to give him credit for 79 or Q9 is too miracle like. Put him all in on the flop like the above says.

Call without a doubt.

There's no way you can fold top set for $80 into a $247 pot.

The river is a complete blank on that board so either you put him on the straight or you didn't. You called the turn so I don't see how you can fold the river.

If he ends up having the straight on the river then you replay the hand and replay his actions and bets for future reference.

In the future if you have someone with interest with top set either check and raise them on the turn or bet more on the turn. I agree with Cbarton that the $20 was a weak bet into that pot. You should have gone with 2/3 or 3/4 pot aka $30 - $40.

Easy call then. Doesn't look like much value in raising here.

Generally I like a bigger raise preflop, as loose villain calls for $12 here all day.

The turn is a good result for you as your weak underbet may have induced action from an inferior hand or bluff. As played, call the river and expect to win, but due to the leveling from the underbet/small raise sequence on the turn we can't rule out a straight (and getting 3bet all-in sucks), while at the same time I doubt a raise gets called often enough.

The turn is an easy call even if you know he has the straight, which you don't

As played, are you getting it in on this river?

To OP, he could have 79hh, or more likely Q9dd or something. Don't ever think we're folding otr, though. Really villain dependant on whether you raise.

I make it at least $12 pre here ...

I raise the turn.

River is an easy call imo, if not a shove. i think he's calling you with worse here because you really underplayed this hand.

Im getting it in on the river and im happy about it

I'm raising the turn, and getting it in against this player. Yes he could have a straight, but he could have a pair and straight draw, a flush draw and straight draw, two pair, or even a set. Your hand is so hidden (You would play Aces and Kings the same way, right?), that the villain is never going to fold a set, and will likely call a turn raise with two pair/pair+draws. Plus, we need to protect our hand from action killing cards on the river that won't get us any more action if we have the best hand. (Any card A-7, and heart).

Make it $160 total on the turn, and NEVER FOLD!

1)I raise to $8 because I like to vary my raise sizeing with regs because they too often try to associate the size of the raise with hand strength.

2) My turn bet size was small because if he did make a straight and check raised me I could still call hoping to fill up.

Also when he bet $80 on the river he seemed extremely confident. And although $80 is not a big bet in relation to the pot it is a big river bet for most live 1-2 players. If u listen to deuce plays or the old cash plays, Bart talks about this concept quite a bit with bad live players making bets that are not that big in relation to the pot size but are in fact quite large for the game. This is exactly what I was thinking. I'm trying to put the villian on a hand. He doesn't have a set because he wouldn't hav limped with 10-10 and he wouldn't have flatted the flop with 44 on such a wet board. J10 is unlikely because of card removal. The fact that he raised the turn means the 8 helped him somehow possibly 10-8. Although he does play his draws aggressively it's usually on the flop, I really don't think he's good enough to take this line with a real big draw to try and rep a monster. Also the fact that I didn't think I could raise the river made be believe I was beat, if that makes any sense idk.

So you folded?

No, i called. I'm just not good enought to fold top set on this board to this particular player.



Am I being results oriented?

I like the post by Man of Means. It sums up the standard line perfectly in my view.

Think this hand was butchered on almost every street. Raise more preflop. Bet more Flop/Turn. I've seen the spoiler but I fist pump shove almost every time. Because of your betting our hand is so underrepresented.

Yes, vast majority of the time your opponent is shouting "chips"

If hero had made a full pot bet on the turn and faced a huge checkraise, you wouldn't give villain credit for a straight? I think the main reason we are calling down (instead of trying to find a fold) is that hero may have leveled himself by underrepping on the turn. There is no read that this villain is laggy/semibluffy just that he calls a lot.

I bet bigger pre, flop and turn.

The only question is do we stack off OTR and for me its close. Look its live $1/2 you guys like to widen there range here by adding bluffs I dont think there are a lot of bluffs in his range.

Villain is making a value raise OTT a lot more than he is bluffing and would do this with lower set, two pair, maybe even AJ and of course made straights. Also villain just calls a lot, calling stations call with a wide a range but there raising range is usually strong like the nuts. Maybe I am weak-tight I just call river.

YES. never fold any set on this board vs. almost any player.

I already clarified why I didn't raise more PF. Also had I raised more how would the hand have changed? On the flop i bet pot, how much more should I be betting with top set in that spot? Also i only got 1 caller with a raise to $8 had I raised significantly more PF he may hav have folded. It just seems to me that most of the people in these games raise to big with hands like JJ and AK because it's like they're afraid to play them and would rather everyone fold.

I probably would have shoved on the turn or river. Putting him on two pair, busted flush draw or set over set. Most of the time you stack him in this situation.

Just because you explained why you raised the amount you did pf doesnt mean its correct. Varrying your raise sizes is ******ed, just raise the same amount no matter what your hand it. Base your PF raise on amount of players, blinds/straddles and position. $8 raise after 1 limper live with a hand like JJ that is going to be vulnerable on most flops is bad.

Flop I bet close to pot.

Turn is way too small, why did you bet less than half the pot? If you bet 35-45 Im sure the hand plays differently.

River I probably raise since we played the hand so terribly and under repped to this point. If we bet bigger on the turn this river would be different.

The fact that he limp calls Q9o should tell you something. Hes obviously not great and could show up with all sorts of hands here.

Why is varying raise size "******ed"? What's the point of raising with JJ: to thin the field and preferably play the hand in position against a bad opponent. Both of those goals were accomplished with the $8 raise. At some tables I would raise more but at this table smaller raises were working. Had I raised to $12 he still would have called and the results would be the same, probably $20 would have got him to fold but that really wasn't my goal. I did bet pot on the flop. I generally bet more on the turn in this spot but I guess I just felt he wouldn't c/r bluff so if he did c/r I would have to commit in a spot where I might be behind. His river bet seemed strong and I really couldn't put him on a smaller set so I didn't feel raising was a +ev play.