I gotta agree with this. Its early and im not doing the math, but if we pile here we give incorrect odds for the flush to call (which he most likely will do, therefore we get him to make the mistake and we profit long term). Also if you decide to raise to something like 140 and the turn bricks then the V may fold the flush draws to a turn shove. I think pushing flop maximizes our value. Could be wrong!

GCS

If we raise to $200, the new pot will be $375 and we're giving the following odds:

V1 has $180 to call -- 2:1.

V2 and V3 have $160 to call -- 2.3:1

1 card equity for 15 outs is about 30%. So we're probably not quite charging V3 and V2 enough here with only $200, if there is a caller in between (like if V1 decides to just go with his QQ or AKx).

If we're not going to shove OTF, then I think our raise needs to be at least $250, which then puts the immediate odds back to V2 and V3 at 2:1.

But, in any case, for any raise that is less then a shove, we charge our villains to see the turn, but we can not properly charge them to see the river. They can make a small mistake by calling to see the turn, and then even if they miss, its not a mistake for any draw to call our shove to see the river, no?

I guess I'd like to see some more discussion ranges for V2 and V3.

V2's min raise before 2 big stacks left to act seems a bit strong to me.

V3's flat of V2's 2b would normally scream monster. But I can see that since he's on a heater, maybe he feels invincible.

raise to $185, shove the turn. Stacks aren't great but I don't really like shoving here, make a healthy raise and jam turns that don't include a spade.

Spades I'm hoping to check behind, if I can't, it comes down to the math.(which I don't feel like doing right now)

This response is based on your reads.

V1 is fishy and not sure what he is doing so he raises pre and then continues OTF OOP. V2 is competent and min raises. To me this screams building a pot with a monster. Aka I'd be putting him on A/xs ,or 9/9+. V3 clearly has a draw with his flat here being on a heater. Hell it might even be a runner runner draw with A/x clubs! Anyways I think a pop here to 180+ (I would go with 200) is going to fold out v1 and v3. If it doesn't, I don't see them just flatting your raise anyways and feel the money would go in there. However you have v2 in a spot. If he has a pp 9/9+ he might just re pop you but if he has the A/xs he would probably just call all in I believe or maybe even fold his draw not wanting to put his money in on a draw considering he's only in for 30% of his starting stack. 8/8 obviously he's gonna re pop as well and well a cooler is a cooler. With all this said and math not so much involved I think the reads of the table should indicate that a shove here is the wrong move and would lose value!

Just my 2¢

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Set over set always feels good... Till it happens to you.


Luckily i have not been set over setted in a very long time, and im starting to regularly play 200bb+ deep. Hope my rungood continues lol