Hero sb $400: mid 20's Asian maletag image

Villain hj $235: white male late 30's. Absolute maniac. Laggy/calls down light

Pre $7 live straddle
Mp2 $13
MP3 call
V call
H 3bet to $60 AKo
V call

Flop $152 JJ4r
Hero?

Hero made it $70 pf*

So $172 in the pot OTF

Don't put that much in pre unless you are prepared to jam a flop like that. J is the only hand you really have to worry about here. Against everything else in his range you are a min 45%. Even if he calls with 1010 you still have more than enough equity to be comfortable with it. And i'm assuming from your description there are a lot more hands in his range than pps.

I'm all for continuing on 90% of flops, but the highlighted description to me says you are lighting money on fire by continuing here, since he is only folding complete air. Against a pocket pair or a 4, you have 6 outs. Against a jack, you are basically drawing dead. If you think he can call 60 and fold without having a pair or piece of the board, continue, otherwise check and pray he gives you a card. I don't know that I like the 3b oop either, as it puts you in a terrible spot on flops like this.

Yes he has a very wide range. Is this a b/c?

Also if V was deeper, is this a standard cbet?

Pre I think this is def a raise though. A lot of dead money in there, and I really don't want to see the flop with 4+ players with AK

Raise a little more pf so you can shove for a PSB on all flops. Depends how much deeper but these are the best kinds of flops to c-bet. Maniac V's float pretty wide but not on the paired flops, especially when the pair is a broadway card. They either have trips or don't.

I like a check/call to keep his random air hands in.

Does it really matter if he raises more pre. You're shoving the flop regardless and turning your hand into a bluff and pushing with fold equity. You get called and you'll be behind.

You played the hand well preflop. Just push the flop and it is what it is.

Can someone discuss about pros/cons of 3betting vs calling OOP pre with AK?

Yeah. You'll get ai calls with worse air if it's < a PSB otf. You're not getting calls by worse if V needs to put in more than whats in the middle. I'm also trying to get OP to think/plan earlier than he is. You shouldn't raise X for no reason and then have to reevaluate things on the next street, you raise to Y in order to get V's stack to the size of the pot and plan a shove on all flops. OP isn't planning ahead yet.

You're assuming villain is thinking. I don't think that's fair to assume.

Villain wasn't the original PFR. Most of the time if feel I'm going to take it down PF here, and the only person I really have to worry about is the original PFR. However, I guess I should've taken a look at all the stacks, and seen who I can get a PSB AI OTF. I guess if I would've made it about $85 I could've done that.

However, since I didn't, it put me at an awkward spot. Once villain called I thought of shoving OTF, but once I looked at his stack I saw it would've been an overbet. But maybe I still could've went it though.

Anyways, here are the results up to the turn. Which leads to my next question.

Flop : went c/c

Turn $172 : 2 (board still rainbow)
Hero c/c $25 from Villain

River $222 : 3
Hero check
Villain shoves all in
Hero ?

V's will put in anything pre to smash the flop with ATC. Once the board hits they're less likely to hand over the rest with air if they have a lot left. So let's get more out of all V's pf since they'r just giving it away like a slut, and when the flop hits V doesn't even realize what happened, all of a sudden he has a lot fewer chips then he thought and he'll say "ah, **** it" and get ai with AQo.


AP, if you're calling ott you're calling otr. Checking the flop and calling the turn were both bad, but do you think the 3 drilled him? If you had the turn lead you're winning now.

When we're not drawing, when our hands are made early... it's a big time leak, almost to the point of spew, to be putting $ in ott and not otr UNLESS the board was draw heavy AND the river filled those draws/completely changed the texture.

Here, the 3 didn't change either, our A-high was our made hand, so to put turn $ in but not river $ is bad. You quoted when I said you're not planning ahead yet and it happened again. Either fold ott, or if you call ott the river is a no decision call.

^ yes my plan on the turn was to call him down. but i didn't think he would ship it OTR

^ Solid. A lot of guys think bigger bets mean strength. I usually like seeing bigger bets, I sit with nits all day and wait for the one hand that they can't take it anymore and bluff shove and I see these huge over bets as opportunities to win a lot of $ in 1 hand.

Call and pray Ido.

Results: Hero calls. Villain shows A5 for a straight smh

In hindsight, after sitting with this villain 8hrs later till he went broke (after rebuying multiple times) I saw he was just a complete maniac (more than I thought up to this hand). He rarely folded PF at all, and saw almost every turn. So I think this def should've been set up so the I could've shove a PSB AI OTF. A couple hands later H open UTG to $15 with AA, got 2 callers, V 3bet to $40, H 4bet to $130 ($140 behind), and V snap shoved with A5o! lol