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09-24-2013 , 03:53 PM

jay_got_JJ's

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Hero utg+1 $300 : fairly new to the game. tag image so far

Villain 1 mp1 $215 : older gentlemen. playing fairly loose passive preflop, seeing many flops. postflop seems pretty straight forward

Villain 2 hj $200 : n/a

Villain 3 sb $400 : older lady. seems tagish and pretty straight forward

Preflop $3
H open to $10 A

V1 call
V2 call
V3 raise to $25
H, V1 & V2 call

Flop $102 K

V3 check
H bets $50
V1 jams all in (acted fairly quickly)
V2 & V3 fold
H ? is this an easy fold?

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09-24-2013 , 03:58 PM

wj94

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Raise more pre. Flop bet is too small. I would have gone $15 pre and would have 4b to $85 after the tiny 3b as played. V has enough Kxdd and Axdd combos to call the shove. Why did you bet so small on the flop?

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09-24-2013 , 04:01 PM

rakeme

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Can't see myself folding for $140 more into a pot of $340.

edit: I agree with wj94 about your flop sizing, if we make it like $65 then this becomes a real easy call. It's closer now, but I think it's still a call. *If we had the Ad, then I'd feel less confident about calling.

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09-24-2013 , 04:10 PM

payUPalready21

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V3 described in OP as TAG has 3-bet...what's a TAG 3 bet with??? Further more what's she snap all-in with on that board?? I think we're beat to either KK or AA, as played with bet sizing I fold to this all-in....

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09-24-2013 , 04:11 PM

rakeme

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You misread it, V3 folded.

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09-24-2013 , 04:12 PM

payUPalready21

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To add to my above....best case scenorio IMO she's free rolling against you with A

I'm Folding...........

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09-24-2013 , 04:12 PM

Javanewt

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V1 (loose passive older guy) went all in. I'm not folding.

Edit: I don't like it much, though, and agree with a bigger flop bet to set this up. I hope since he acted so fast he is on a flush draw.

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09-24-2013 , 04:13 PM

payUPalready21

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Originally Posted by rakeme

You misread it, V3 folded.

Ah, I stand corrected....I'll go jump off a building now lol

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09-24-2013 , 04:16 PM

rakeme

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Originally Posted by payUPalready21

Ah, I stand corrected....I'll go jump off a building now lol

Haha. So what do you think now? Would you fold still against V1?

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09-24-2013 , 04:27 PM

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payUPalready21

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Loose passive....ugghhhh I just hate over playing and losing AK, so I've really shy'd away from it in the past few years... I believe we're facing at least a pair and draw... KTd's seems most likely ...ughhhhhh I probably call and hope to fade ...not happy about it 1 bit though....

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09-24-2013 , 04:29 PM

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payUPalready21

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Love that V1 can't stack us though!

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09-24-2013 , 04:30 PM

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Mr_Doomed

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Ya this seems to be a call given the description of the villain. The sizing is way to small, but I don't think a 4 bet is mandatory. Has the villain been willing to stack off with TPGK? Multi way I am never crazy about this spot as we are calling to a chop or are drawing basically dead to a set as they were all given good odds to call. All that said on that wet of a board you should call as I have seen plenty of 1/2 players gamble with pairs and flush draws.

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09-24-2013 , 05:07 PM

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Jay S

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You're 36% against a range of {88,77,AK,Axd,KQs,Kxd,K8,K7,87}. This assumes he always calls your pf raise with K8/K7. If you restrict those to suited combos only, equity goes up to 40%. You need about 30% to call. Looks +EV to me.

(I only included KQs since I'm skeptical this V would usually insta-jam KQ.)

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09-24-2013 , 05:10 PM

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$FishWreck$

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V is playing it like he has a set but lots of FD's and a SD in his range. I don't think you can completely rule out KQ given V's description and wetness of flop. A more aggressive V could be squeezing w/ air, but I don't think so here. This is a call given pot odds although I think hero is crushed often.

If a $10 open preflop gets you three callers most of the time, you need to bet more. Otherwise, I think a 5bb is fine. AKs is a hand w/ decent IO's and you want at least one caller, ideally a weaker ace. Opening at $30 to keep postflop play easy is not an option at most 1/2 tables.

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