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10-17-2013 , 01:30 PM
Hero co $700 : tight aggressive winning image

Villain utg+1 $400 : asain male between 25-30 years old. has only been at the table for 30-45mins. has a tag image so far


Pre $3
V limp
Mp1 limp
H $15 AK
Button call
Sb fold
Bb call
V call
Mp1 fold

Flop $65 K104
H bet $35
Button & Bb fold
V raises to $80
H ? is this a fold, or call and reevaluate on the turn?


Turn $225 4
V bet $90
H ?
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10-17-2013 , 01:35 PM
He limped UTG...what is he doing this with, that we lose to, other than 44? I feel like this is KQ/KJ a lot more than it is 44. Would definitely call the flop.

When the second 4 rolls off the on the turn I am calling down, and shipping the river if checked to.
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10-17-2013 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrith
He limped UTG...what is he doing this with, that we lose to, other than 44?.
K10
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10-17-2013 , 02:30 PM
Gah, yeah, that was stupid of me. I would still call the turn. We're probably forced to fold on the river; seems unlikely he's going to put in 200BBs with KQ.
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10-17-2013 , 02:38 PM
Villain's flop check-raise demonstrates strength on a relatively dry board particularly after he limped and called pre-flop. This play usually implies a strong hand and there are credible posts discussing folding in these spots with tp/tk hands. K10 and 44 are definitely in his range but so is a weakly played 1010 and also though unlikely AA. However, he could also be holding KQ and KJ or middle pairs or QJ on a semi-bluff. This is a typical way ahead or way behind situation. If you call the his flop check-raise for 45:180 you know that he's likely firing again and there aren't many cards that help you if you're behind but calling his flop check-raise likely implies calling the turn. If you re-raise his flop check raise then you'll likely only get called or re-raised by better hands. Considering that your getting 4:1 to call with tp/tk on such a dry board calling can't be that bad but knowing that you'll likely have to call two more streets with such a holding against aggression isn't particularly profitable either. This particular call is player dependent but not knowing your opponent makes it even more difficult. However, your decent holding, your position and the price calling the flop is a reasonable play.

The turn card reduces the likelihood that villain has a set of 4's and so calling the turn for 90:315 or 3.5:1 with two pair and top kicker is reasonable particularly considering the price and your position. If he fires a third bullet on the river it's likely he's got a bigger two pair K10 or a full house and so calling the turn leaves you with little knowledge of his holding and likely unprofitably calling another street. Raising the turn will likely only get called or even re-raised by better holdings. Calling is ok but what do you do if he shoves the river? What do you do if he checks the river?

Look at some of the past postings on the balluga theorem (it discusses turn raises on such boards and might be helpful).

Last edited by losttrappist; 10-17-2013 at 02:56 PM.
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10-17-2013 , 02:46 PM
Raise a bit more with a couple of limpers already in the pot ... probably $22 or so min. You have a drawing hand and a $12 no hassle profit never hurt anyone. If you get callers then you know better who is serious based on their image. See bold below also.

Bet slightly higher on Flop ($45-50) since you are multiway. Once one person calls it gets real attractive for all draws to stay in the hand. Betting this much on the Flop also makes it easier to fold to a c/r if you feel so inclined.

AP I would probably call the raise to see if he fires again on Turn. The Turn bet looks a lot like value now that you are HU so folding is an option to the 'right' player.

This one could go either way call or fold on Turn, a 3rd bet on River will be very tough to call as well so if you arent committed to most Rivers go ahead and fold now. GL
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10-17-2013 , 11:42 PM
I'd just sigh fold OTT.
If we call this, be prepared to call his $215 allin OTR
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10-18-2013 , 01:46 AM
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Bet slightly higher on Flop ($45-50) since you are multiway. Once one person calls it gets real attractive for all draws to stay in the hand. Betting this much on the Flop also makes it easier to fold to a c/r if you feel so inclined.
What exactly are we getting value from betting close to pot on such a dry board into three players? This makes it much easier for an opponent to fold Kx. There are so few draws on this flop, and they share outs with a lot of Kx/Tx hands. If someone wants to overcall $35 with J9, we should be perfectly fine with that.
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10-18-2013 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay S
What exactly are we getting value from betting close to pot on such a dry board into three players? This makes it much easier for an opponent to fold Kx. There are so few draws on this flop, and they share outs with a lot of Kx/Tx hands. If someone wants to overcall $35 with J9, we should be perfectly fine with that.
LOL. This is a 1/2 with 4 callers. I bet 2/3 of pot on flop and fold. In case you didn't know, most Kx will insta-call the flop. If 4 players want to call $35 with two of them having FD or OESD, you should be extremely worried about that.
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10-18-2013 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by charlie310
LOL. This is a 1/2 with 4 callers. I bet 2/3 of pot on flop and fold. In case you didn't know, most Kx will insta-call the flop. If 4 players want to call $35 with two of them having FD or OESD, you should be extremely worried about that.
2/3 of the pot is a whopping seven dollars more than Hero bet; we're really splitting hairs here. And it's a rainbow flop, so I have no idea what flush draws you're talking about.
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10-18-2013 , 02:51 AM
Gotta watch out for those "CRAZIANS" I call em....K4s and K10o are definitely in his range there he also has QJ, K9, KQ and KJ in there as well..... I just call him down turn and river, then mental fist pump the chips as they come my way
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10-18-2013 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay S
2/3 of the pot is a whopping seven dollars more than Hero bet; we're really splitting hairs here. And it's a rainbow flop, so I have no idea what flush draws you're talking about.
I'm not splitting hairs. We all know bet-sizing is crucial in poker (and especially in donkfests like the 1/2 NL).

My bad, let me clarify: OESD or OESD w/BDFD.
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