Hand at Red Rock a couple days ago...

Hero (~$450) is UTG+1: Mid-20's reg, V2 and V3 have played with me often and know I'm a solid winner, have not played against V1 before. TAGish game, can play more LAGgy depending on table conditions, most players in the room see me as LAG. Wide raising range from most positions.

V1 (~$300) is UTG+2: 30's whiteish guy with an accent, seems to be eastern European, playing very loose, almost 100% VPIP but rarely raising pre himself

V2 (~$200) on button: 40's white guy, plays pretty tight ABC game, doesn't get out of line very often, probably a break-even player overall

V3 ($73) in SB: Late 20's/early 30's white guy, plays pretty loose, a bit fishy and not a great hand-reader. Might be tilted from losing a big hand earlier, originally bought in $300 and has not reloaded.

Hero dealt 88

UTG folds, hero raises to $12, V1 calls, V2 calls, V3 shoves for $73 total. Hero snap calls the shove expecting V1 and V2 to fold (shove here? fold here?), but V1 flats and then V2 shrugs and goes all-in for $187 more. Re-shove or fold?

Gross. Is it actually 187 more or does that include the 73? For me I think the answer to that determines whether this is a fold or reshove. I might also fold to the first shove unless I'm pretty sure V3 is sufficiently tilted.

Sorry, it is $187 total, not $187 more, so $114 more. V1 has about $210 left so it's either shove or fold.

I'm probably shoving over the first AI if I think he's being tilty and could show up with a lower PP or A2s-A7s or even some air, but if not I just let it go.

AP it's a gross spot but I'd probably fold, tight ABC player going AI is serious, shrug or not. If either of them has a PP higher than your 8s (I could definitely see V2 with 9s or 10s even JJ) then you are in terrible shape.

If you do want to get your money in I'd definitely go AI to try and fold out V3. You're in OK shape if they both have two big broadways and in even better shape if one has lower PP.

You seem to know V2 and he doesn't get out of line often, do you think he's shoving something you're flipping with here? If it's a pair, it's above 8s.

I think his range is like 99-QQ and AQs+/AKo

I prefer shoving over the initial AI to iso with their dead money in the pot.

fold imo.

cut your losses.

shove instead of calling the short stack, as played I'd probably fold, it's tough to have 88 hold up against 2 players seeing 5 cards.

Obviously iso jamming over Bbs ship is best, but ad played you're only a 62/38 dog vs a reship range of 99-JJ, AQs+ AKo. And obv you feel youre ahead of bb range. So im shipping it to fold out mr 100vpip.

Actually dont like shoving pre here... The call of 73 says it all i have ahuge hand and no one is going to snap that off unless they have better.

A shove may get 99/10 10 to fold but your def taking a risk against players who cant fold these and also basically just running into better.

As played i fold unless i hve reads that the shover is a donk or bluffy.

I agree with some of this.

Cash games are not tourneys. We don't want to limit our risk here. As a general rule, isolating a small stack in a cash game is less EV then flatting and roping other stacks in.

I say flat and hope we can get a loose call from V1. Obviously, we shouldn't fold the flop even if it flops bad for us.

I don't think I'm folding here. Too many times we are up against 3 hands of broadway cards that have each others outs.

Unfortunately, I think that coming up with the best strategy here is very opponent-dependent. In addition to trying to range the short-stack's pushing range, alarm bells would have gone off for me when the tight, ABC player flatted from the button, since this smells like 99-JJ, AK.

Since responding to the shorty's push is clearly a fold or push moment, I would probably fold the first time around, unless I felt confident that a push would get it heads-up with the shorty.

totally agree. it´s either/or, if you decide to play the hand, iso-shove, or fold. did you really expect 100% VPIP to fold a high % of the time?

I haven't played with him before so I don't know what his 3b-calling tendencies are, only seen him play almost every hand. Since he's playing so loose I don't really care if he flats when I flat since I would just shove almost any flop.

Results:

nice fake tell, V2
surely taking a note what a nit he is pre (not 3betting first time around)