1/2 NL 10 handed. Table has been very loose and lots of action.

V1 - ~$2200 has been crushing table, playing any two cards. Just recently cracked AA with T2o. If he catches any piece of the flop he will not lay down the hand easily.

V2 - ~$450 reg on the tighter side but mixes his play well. Capable of bluffing but does not bluff very often in big pots.

Hero ~$680 has played with V2 alot and V2 thinks hero is tight aggressive and knows hero is capable of big lay downs.

Action folded to Hero in MP whos raises to $12 with 8d6d.
V1 SB reraises to $45
V2 BB calls $45
Hero calls $45

Flop KdJd6c

V1 bets $100
V2 Shoves around $400

Hero?

We should be in good shape vs. V2. We're probably doing OK even against both of them. If V1 has a big hand, he's shoving and we're calling. Give V1 more opportunity to surrender his equity in the hand and shove.

I very rarely raise 86s in MP and I'm folding to the 3b that means SPR will be 5ish.

PF: As far as the raise...well...to each their own. As far as calling the 3! with 8d6d, we are getting ~3:1 playing deep stacks, so calling is fine.

F (135): SPR is 3 and ~4.5. V2's range looks like AK, JJ, AdQd, 66, and that's about it. Doubt he calls the PF 3! with KJ. So the pot odds (assuming V1 folds) are 135+100+405:405 or 1.6:1 (38%). So we need over 38% winning odds to call. If he does have a set we have 9 outs; 36% chance to hit the winner by the river.

Since we don't have over a 38% chance to win, we should fold. Yeah, he may have AK, and we know there are more combos of AK, but he also could easily have AdQd here as well. AdQd has 16 outs to the winner over our 8d6d.

I'd fold.

Main pot ... Looking at putting in $405 to win $635 min (39%) and $1035 max (27%) if we can get V1 to call or shove.

Side pot ... Looking at putting in $235 to win $235 (50%) if we can induce a shove.

Total 'jackpot' ... Looking at putting in $635 to win around $1200 (34%)

How do we feel good about any of this? We can't count on V2 'expecting' us to fold to his image as 'having it' in large pots here. We can't count on V1 calling into a shove and a call 'most of the time'. How are we 39% to win the main pot against V2's range?

Give V1 AA and V2 JJ here .. We are only 23% to win. So now we need to count on V1 calling and we are still -EV by 4%. in the main pot and maybe 36% in the side pot where we need 50% for the side and 34% for the 'jackpot'.

I think your OP is worded to get us to assume that both V1 shove/calls and V2 is pulling his rare bluff. So lets give V1 AdKx and V2 QxTd .. you are at 40% to win. This is +6% EV .. and you are looking to call for over 200bb?

As much as this looks enticing I think we are crushed in too many spots against V2s range and not being able to count on V1 to call $300 min more into an active pot to even be close to getting the right price to call here. Can we really count on V1 to shove and 'recoup' $235 lost in the main to V2's range? Even against AK we are a dawg against V1.

I think I have better things to do with $635 than put it all in there here. GL

FWIW, assuming V1's range is AKo, AKs, JJ, AdQd, 66
and that V2's range is KK+, AKs

8d6d: 36%
V1: 29%
V2: 35%

Not saying this is the last word on their ranges, but for the ranges under discussion we actually have a plurality of the equity (though just barely).

I was actually saying that he isnt bluffing often in this situation. And I was thinking (in the hand) that V1 has a high chance of calling if I call because of how big the pot is (based on previous actions)