I was only marginally involved in this hand, but thought it was interesting. Spent a lot of time during and after thinking about it.

Me - playing with both villains in the hand for hours. 40 something hippie playing standard tag.

V1 - 20 something white guy rocking big time beard. I pegged him as someone that thinks he is better than he is. Was a little better than most 1/2, but fails to realize that standard folks at this level aren't even noticing most stuff going on. Definitely capable of "making moves". I doubled him up a couple of hours ago when he had about 150, KQdd raise pre, he called. Flop K,10,4 rainbow he calls my c-bet, turn Jd giving me back door diamond and open ended along with my top pair - he cr my turn bet all in I called and couldn't rundown his KJ.

V2 - 40 something Asian calling station. Loved loved loved to see flops no matter the price. Top pair is the nuts. Very little aggression. Will often donk if he flops top pair

Hand:

V1 (~600) has racked his chips, leaving after this hand and decided to straddle utg as last hand.
V2 (~800) limps in mp
Folds to me CO (~600) 7,8hh raises to 15
BB calls
V1 3! 30
V2 me and BB all call
Flop (120) K,6,2dd
Checks around
Turn (120) J diamonds
BB checks
V1 bets 50
V2 raises to 125
Me and bb fold
V1 in rhythm announces all in and slides his rack forward.
V2 tanks for ever. Talking out loud to him self that it looked like V1 was going to check until he saw that bb checked. Didn't believe V1.
V1 looking confident says I'm just playing this last hand then going home. Says will it help if I show you a card? V2 says no???? V1 turns over the Qd anyways.


This back and forth went on for awhile.

So what range does V1 have here?
What does V2 have.

If you were V2, what would you call the shove with?

Will post results later.


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V2 is behind and should fold

Based on preflop I put Vs range at mostly AdQd and QdQx and KdQd. Is the Kd on board?

It would be pretty insane if he played QdQx post flop like that.. I think he's got a flush almost always here.

my guess is V2 probably has JJ or KJ

AdQd - like 100% of the time.

Kd is not on the board.

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Fwiw, I think the fact that you posted this means V1 had KQ or QTo and realized oh **** when V2 was contemplating a call... But in a vacuum, V1 has AQdd like 80% of the time and QTdd like 15-19% of the time and we ignore the last 1% to 5% of the time because it just doesn't matter. I think V2 had KJ.

So we think v1 min 3b AQdd or QTdd then checked a flush draw on the flop?

Oh weird I didn't see the 3! I dunno then. 1/2nl players can be a whacky bunch. I think it's still AQdd, but I guess he's showing up with QQdd sometimes too. If so, it just shows horrible play, not much to learn from.

His line and table talk seem a little full of it, but it's so rare to see someone bluff off their whole stack when they're already on their way out the door that I would just assume V1 has it here.

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I don't think villain has Ad because why wouldn't he raise to $250 vs going all in? If he has Ad he has the nut flush so why give villain the chance to find a fold (by my math V2 has to call $450 on the turn to chase a $750 pot. If V1 doesn't have an A than he likely has the K or Q high flush. I don't see him doing this with only a draw since he's leaving but maybe gambling with QdQx since he 3bet UTG?

V2 maybe has AdKx (although limped in MP so maybe AdJx? Maybe KdJx?Flop was checked so I'm eliminating sets and JJ would've raised preflop and maybe eliminating KJ since he would've bet it on the flop after V1 checked... V2 raised on turn so the J helped him...

If there was a prize for guessing specific hands I'll say V1 has KdQd and V2 has AdJx. I suck at ranging though so I'm sure others may tell me I'm wrong but it's fun to guess and learn right?

I'm changing my answer... Villain 1 checked K high flop... So I'm discounted KdQd unless he was getting tricky...

V2 has a lower flush here ~always, doesn't he? It's unlikely he's checking the flop with a set or Kx after V1 checked, and I'd discount JJ due to the pf limp, though I guess it's not impossible. Any weird bluffs or "find out where I'm at raise" hands are folding pretty quickly.

In the moment, I'd assume V1 has a flush most of the time; it's a weird line, but running a huge bluff on a station who likely has a flush is also a weird line. Given that the hand was posted and OP found it interesting, my range for V1 right now is a little different

I've found that preflop aggressors like V1 will bet a flopped flush draw upwards of 90% of the time. This feels a lot like QdTx or QdJx. In my experience, people who are racked up to go who get involved with pots aren't always thinking clearly either. It's like their brain checks out and they just play the last hand like a button clicking monkey.

Calling V1 with any flush and AdKx and any two pair IMO. V1s opinion of V2 is probably the most important bit of info here. If V1 has avoided pots with V2, I'll reconsider my read on V1's range.

My thought at the time was how fires v1 have a flush here? 100% he is cbetting flush draw after 3! Pre.

So bit more info.

V is tanking with K8 offsuite, both black cards.

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lol he's debating a $450 call with K8? Damn... And I thought your reads are that V2 will donk bet top pair which he checked this time?

usually did donk. Not this time. Maybe was concerned about his kicker

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Lol... I hope he won with K8 and stayed at the table for you to win some easy money!

KJ is same as K8 for V2. V1 is crazy polarized here.

I couldn't call here. Big question comes down to, what is v1 3! Range that includes Qd? If it was Q,Xdd or KQ how likely is he to not cbet?

Would be not cbet QQ, then turn it into a semi bluff?

Interesting hand because when hand reading a little deeper, K8 could actually be ahead.

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KJ is top two pair though and K8 is just top pair medium kicker? and maybe QQ is scared of the flopped K vs 3 others that called the 3bet?

I wouldn't narrow V1's range to just premiums when he nearly min 3-bets his straddle in his last hand.

Y'all are assigning hand ranges like these are online pros. I don't think this guy EVER has the nut flush here. QQd fits the Bill along with AQd.

Live logic with QQd is "Damn I didn't want to see that King, but I am never folding, BOOM now I have a flush draw, All in"

Live logic with AxQd "Well I have the second nut flush draw, a gutshot to the straight, and I can hit an Ace, I sure hope he folds and I can show the table)

Yep. At first glance considering a call with K8 off suite no diamonds seems insane. But reading deeper into V1 range considering action on all streets so far, his shove can't be the nuts.

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Interesting discussions. Time for results.

V2 calls with black K8 for top pair, weak kicker and no redraw.
V1 sheepishly turns over Ax,Qd for flush draw, straight draw and 1 over card.
Everyone at table is stunned.
V2 asks dealer for a black 10.
Dealer brings a black 10 river.
V2 wins with straight.
Table goes crazy.
V2 grabs another empty rack, piles up his new found chips and leaves.

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Did you mean V1 asks for the black 10 and wins with the straight?

Yep. Sorry screwed that up.

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