1/2, $300 eff

UTG fish limps,
Hero UTG1 raises to 15 with T9hh,
BB and UTG call.

Flop ($46): 966scd
Both check, Hero $20, both call

Turn ($106): Kd
BB leads $50, UTG folds, H folds

I’m thinking he floated flop with KQ/AK and caught his K OTT because of my bad flop sizing.

I think raising T9s to 15 in the UTG+1 was the bigger mistake at a table with no reads.

I'm not overlimping in EP and letting everyone come in behind me. I had a tight image at a passive table so I wanted to get it HU or 3way postflop at best. Folding a top-end suited connector seemed too nitty. Although it's the bottom of our raising range in this position.

Raising 19% of hands in EP seems a bit loose to me in a world where MW pots on the flop are the norm. You probably don't have as tight an image as you think if you are consistently doing this.

but you want him to float overcards and not isolate yourself against a range with higher equity. otherwise, there's not much reason to bet your medium strength hands. if anything, you should be cbetting slightly smaller

poker is not a 1 street game. don't you want to get him to make mistakes overcalling the flop and having to overfold the turn, when you can continue betting for thin value, in which case you make what you would've made had he folded the flop + the 1/3p extra in dead money he invested?

if you pot the flop and have to check every single turn that doesn't improve you, that will not compensate for the extra fold equity coming from the smaller part of his range that floats the flop

then there's the question of what's best for your range, are you potting AA or 99? having 1 big bet size is incorrect for your medium strength hands and lower equity draws that want to bet and having 2 bet sizes is transparent af to even the brain dead.

there is no immediate reason to fold your pair when he donks, both lower and higher level players tend to frequently x/r the cards you will often barrel with their good hands. you're supposed to peel this turn a lot vs an unknown opp.

You think this weekend 1/2 rec is blasting off this turn into 2 players with some random spazz bluff on a card that hits my range?

If anything, I’ve noticed that whenever they blast a card that hits MY range more in that spot, their range is stronger than weaker.

However, you may be right as well, but $50 is a pretty large bet at 1/2, coming from these passive players whose bets mostly revolve around $15-20 postflop.

you have no way of knowing his donking range, other than that he prob has a hand he likes or feels entitled to win the pot with
if you manage to show down your hand and see he donked KJ, make a mental note on the guy, playing him is going to get a lot easier

Next time just shove the flop. That way he'll definitely fold his 6 outs.

He will have racked up and left for the night (and not play me again for a few months atleast) after some time, so I don’t see why I would pay $50 to get a mental note on him. How exactly are we planning to exploit it anyway? Just the fact that he “floats” flop so we should double barrel him more in the future?

yeah barrel with impunity, raise your strong hands vs his donk, call good draws, fold mid strength and air.

you're not just calling because you get info, you call because for 1/2p you don't have to be good often at all, and because you simply don't know that he donks better hands the vast majority of the time, could be 50/50 or 30/70 for all you know. in either case, for 1/2p you don't fold reasonable hands. nobody says you need to call down when he pots a brick river and you're rarely drawing dead ott.

Bet slightly less when your hand is more vulnerable to overcards. Bet slightly more when its not so vulnerable.

You could bet $30 here with T9s and $20 here with things like QQ-AA and 6x. Getting him to pay a little more with less chance to outdraw you and/or fold his equity more often, will add up to more profits for you. Dont adjust your cbet amount too much though or people will pick up on it.

Getting outdrawn in small pots like this should happen fairly often to you. If it doesn't you are betting too large post flop and only getting called when you are behind.

Your first and second para contradict each other. You meant to say bet MORE when your hand is more vulnerable?

Correct, sorry. Dont forget the "slightly" part though.

I just tried the small bet thing with a less vulnerable hand and got owned again:

1/2, $500 eff. UTG straddle 4, UTG1 limps, Hero (UTG2) raises KhKs to $22, all fold, only UTG1 calls.

Flop ($50): 6s 4d 2c
V checks, H $15, V calls

Turn ($80): Td
V checks, H $50, V calls

River ($180): Ts
V leads $100, H calls

V shows ATo

lulz, glad I stopped commenting on your threads, still tilting to read

T9s in UTG+1 is rock bottom of acceptable loose open range. At a weak tight table of inattentive bored regs I'm game for it. But doing that for 7.5 blinds is too aggro, you're putting too much out out of position with this weak a holding.

I had a tight image and most players at table were middle aged fit or fold passives.

Why did you make a 7.5x isolation raise pre with T9s from EP? Just play bingo and limp or fold. I think raising is the worst option and the difference between call and fold depends on rake.

You want people to peel your cbets with hands that have bad equity against your value hands and also fold on most turn cards. Would you rather pound flop and be behind when you get action?

This card really shrinks you down in your range. Of hands to fold, a hand like this that really can’t improve is a good fold candidate. A9 would be a better call as you can still hit an Ace and be doing well vs his value.


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This isn’t a good board to bet small on. This is 642. If he has T8 he’s not calling anything. If he has a 5 or 3 in his hand he will continue for a lot.

Plus look how terrible he played his hand. He didn’t even get you for the max when it’s likely you’d have bet larger on river, and maybe called a raise.


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Do you really have a tight image?

What are you doing in this preflop scenario with A2s?

K8s?

55?

A9o?

98s?

If you are making it 7.5x the limp with T9s, all of these hands are just moderately behind it on the full ring hand chart. So 20% of hands for 7.5 bb preflop From EP != tight.

If your opponents for some reason think you’re a nut peddler and fold constantly, then sure, keep doing this. But really, 20% range here. You aren’t tight. And if you’re against people willing to call you down, you’re just spewing chips around.

Think of it this way: you’re making it $15, ostensibly to get folds. There’s $5 out there. You’re risking a lot of money to either get $5 or take things to the street.


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Our 1/2 plays 200-300 bb deep so $15 is a standard raise that gets 3-4 callers often rather than being looked at as a “7.5x raise “. If I open$10, I’ll get 5-6 callers do not doing that.

I’m opening 55 and A2s too I guess. K8s/A9o I consider garbage.

I was never betting river since he’s not the type to hero call. If he bet any larger too, I’d fold. These guys are unbalanced donks at 1/2.

642r isn’t dry enough to cbet small? I got him to float ATo with my sizing.

Still don’t know why you seek advice here when you’re always right.

In your first hand it does look like the BB floated the flop and donk bet once they hit. Which is perfect. You want to be against these players, if there wasn’t another player behind then maybe I’d say different but it’s just a clear fold and get’em next time type of hand. I also think opening T9s here is a good spot, especially based off your image like you said.

Now this hand is different cause it’s HU but I don’t see anything wrong, especially with the bet sizing, keep it up and don’t let these losses get to you, seems like you’re making +EV plays

So you want to risk 7.5 big blinds to get 2.5 big blinds? They have narrow inelastic ranges, you can risk less for the same effect.