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1/2 wheel OTF, monotone flop, raise and reraise 1/2 wheel OTF, monotone flop, raise and reraise

04-09-2015 , 08:22 PM
1/2 at the Byke.

Villain 1, on the CO, is a LAG almost maniacal guy, playing every hand and getting the goods, like playing 9 and 4 and turning boat, and that kind of stuff. Plays EVERY hand, bets scare cards, his draws and his small pairs, even if is out there a straight or flush or two over cards. Incredible how he plays, how hot he ran. Has around 600 in front of him.

Villain 2, on the hijack, is a shorstacker (60~) playing goods only and going all in often, as well folding a lot. Kinda Tight Passive

Hero has 220~ in front of him. Has ran hot too, getting twice AA, good cards and good flops, was out flopped by the villain1 in a previous hand, with AQ in a flop Q53 and the villain had 53 for two pairs. After that I reloaded and ran good and not playing many hands, and at some point haven't been paid off his stuff because people fold to him a lot. I haven't been out of line so far in this session. I'm in the BB with A3

Fold to the Villain2 who limps and Villain1 raises to 6. Fold to me and I decided to call -first time out of line, but because the villain is in the hand, I decided not to fold my blinds. (Is this a mistake?) Villain2 calls; he could have gone allin as he has done, but he don't do that when villain1 is in the hands he plays.

Flop (15~ after rake) the beautiful and terrifying 245

At this point I think if I bet, they might fold, and if somebody have actually the spades, I'm f'd. So, I check.

Villain2 bets 10. I think that bet is a good sign, if he had the flush, he could have gone all in or check. Betting meaning two over cards, an overpair, two pairs, a set or TP with top kicker but different suit. (Thoughts about this?)

Villain1 raises to 30. I think he's betting an AXx, two pairs, or top pair with some spade, or even the SD like a 6x7x, or Ax6x; of course, there is some air too, but why do that with the short stack right there? (Thoughts?)

Hero?

Last edited by DPCharly; 04-09-2015 at 08:25 PM. Reason: Better exposition
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04-10-2015 , 12:40 AM
Muck pre. I know the small PF raise seems enticing, but all it does is get you in trouble. Ace-little is just a bad hand to play OOP. I'd say if there were 6-7 players, it might make me more likely to see a flop. Maybe.

Look at it this way. You flopped a strong hand, and you still don't know what to do. Just fold pre, and save the headache.
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04-10-2015 , 12:44 AM
Don't fold pre. As played call,give up to further aggressive action depending on sizing.
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04-11-2015 , 03:10 AM
Not an interesting hand?
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04-11-2015 , 05:24 AM
As usual,I agree with Wj94,people tend to play straight forwardly on monotone boards....make sure to get value if checked through on turn.
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04-11-2015 , 08:05 AM
I'd call pre. It's a tiny raise and you have a suited ace. Against a V who plays ATC, I like seeing a flop, even OOP.

I hate this flop. Your hand can't improve, you have second best straight (against this V, 63 is in his range), and OOP will make this hard to play.

If you bet and they fold, that's fine. Leading the flop is ok here, esp since you don't want this to check through and see a spade fall OTT.

As played, I might c/r to 60 and put the short stacker all in. This would take him out of future betting rounds, which might make is easier to play against the aggressive, ATC V. I like flat calling less bc if the short stack shoves after you call, you get on a weird spot. Your hand seems too good to fold but folding is not out of the question. There are less than 10bb in the pot, the opening raise was so small that your opponents could easily have any two suited cards and flopped a flush, and given your hand, position and the action so far, you might have to commit your stack.

I'm inclined to think your hand is ahead here,msg is lean to c/r to 60, but I don't think folding would be a huge mistake. If you do c/r and get called by both Vs, you jam any non spade turn. If the wild V comes back over the top of your flop raise, soul read time. He could do that with bare A spades, but if the short stack is all in already, I'd think he would be less likely to jam a draw and you could fold.
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04-11-2015 , 09:17 AM
Grunch

It's tough when villain's range is ultra-wide. After a PFR to 6, I think most hands are still in his range (almost any two cards).

Against a maniac-type player, I tend to go into a calldown mode without nutted hands. TP is usually way good vs this type of player but it's tough to just close your eyes and call on scary runouts. Bottom line: you'll be dealing with more swings when these types are on your table because sometimes you have to guess. Clearly, there are better and worse boards to call down on. Calling down with a straight on a monotone spade board will increase the variance further.

As for this hand, I like the call preflop. It will be usually be tough to play out of position with this type of hand but A3s has about 58% equity against any two cards. If it got heads-up with V1, an A on the flop would likely be good enough for me to get to showdown. If you make the nut flush at some point, well, you're likely getting paid.

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At this point I think if I bet, they might fold
Getting 2 folds on this board would be ok with me-I win. So, I would probably lead 10-15 on flop. Villain 2 should play more straightforwardly against you, probably folding or moving in as you described. If V2 shoves and V1 folds, I wouldn't feel awful getting it in for 30BB with this hand. He could have an overpair, set, or high spade hand way more often than two spades. If V2 folds and V1 continues, I would bet for value and call down if V1 takes the lead. I would not like my chances if action went: Hero bets 10, V2 moves in, V1 calls or V1 moves in.

As played, I call 30. Again, if both Vs stay in, I'm not feeling good. If V2 folds, and if V1 could really have J5 or KT on this board, I want to say I could check/call turn and river, but maybe I chicken out in game.
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04-11-2015 , 01:10 PM
Grunch.

In this hand, you are facing a bet and a raise, not a raise and re-raise. Now with that out of the way... A lot of your logic seems to be pretty bad in this hand. The idea that you shouldn't bet the flop because "they might fold" or "they might have spades (aka you might be beat)" is bad. If you applied this logic to every situation, you would be destined to check every hand because one of the two could be true. They could have TT and 99 with no spades and call three bets from you drawing near dead. Secondly, the idea that the short stacker would always either open shove the flop with a flush or check is probably also bad. Why can't he just bet?

As played, I would probably flat the flop and then lead non spade turn cards. Probably folding to a raise. Alternatively, you could have just bet the flop yourself considering you have a strong but vulnerable hand that you probably aren't comfortable c/r'ing? I mean what was your plan when you checked the flop? Given the fact that you were too scared to bet to begin with... were you going to c/r?
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04-11-2015 , 02:55 PM
When I said "they might fold.." etc, I was just repeating the argument that Im going to be called only if Im beat, and my hand is weak if I get reraised. I feel is not the same being the aggressor than be the defender.

Before I check the flop I tanked:

1-If Viilain2 goes allin and is called, I will fold. If villain1 folds, I will call

2-If villain2 checks, and villain1 bets, i wasn't unsure if I would top the short stacker or just plain fold. Just calling could trigger an allin, a raise to that allin…

3-As played

Spoiler:

I tanked, and went all in… and both fold.

The main thing about this hand is that I have the tendency to go all in spots that I feel like pushed (bullied) and I wanted to know if this decision was good based on the history of the villains and the sizing of their bets, or plain bad, as I was just following my ill tendency -instead of what I thought at the moment, I correctly thought move.

I didnt want either be influenced by the result, and I wanted to know if someone will come up with my solution.
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