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1/2: What do we do on different turn cards here when committed? 1/2: What do we do on different turn cards here when committed?

06-23-2020 , 11:11 AM
1/2, 6-handed.

I'm on the button with $300, CO covers, HJ has around $225

Preflop:
HJ opens to $10
CO calls
I raise to $55 with KsKc
Both call

Flop ($158): 6h5h3d. (~$250 left with CO, ~$175 left with HJ)
Checks to me, I bet $95, both call

Turn ($443): 6h5h3d2d
Checks to me, I jam $150.

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I think this seems straightforward as played. (If not, let me know). I'm more wondering what we'd do if the turn were less of a brick but we have a third-pot bet left.

Specifically, my questions are:
(A) What's everyone do here if the turn is a heart and one of the others jams ahead of us? What if we're first to act?
(B) What if the turn is an ace and one of the other players jams ahead of us? What if we're first to act?
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06-23-2020 , 11:41 AM
A. thats an easy fold after you get two callers otf , you gotta let it go

B. Once again if both players call your flop bet and one of them rips into you on an A i think you just have to let it go

I like a smaller bet otf and a X back ott, you could bet there for protection but this board favors their ranges and after two players call your large bet otf in a 3b pot you just have to understand that you could easily be in bad shape
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06-23-2020 , 12:24 PM
This may be stupid but with 1.6 SPR, 2 fish in the line, probably the best hand, no good turn cards and tons of range for V to call that you beat, I think I just stuff it in on the flop. V’s will often call you with TT, JJ and AK. Any flush or straight draw is calling. Probably with a 2/3rds PSB is exactly what you encountered. No mans land on the turn.
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06-23-2020 , 03:41 PM
1. Do you know anything about V1 and V2? Are they calling a $55 pre bet with anything other than mid pairs+, AK, AQ, or maybe suited 78 and higher? Even though no one was stacked sufficiently to set mine, lots of 1/2 players will do it anyway, especially against a better player because they know it is the only way they will ever stack him.

A. Easy fold
B. Easy fold. There is a very small chance they put you on a lower pair and would run a bluff. But after the pre and flop bets, AXs has to be a big chunk of their range and they have to think it is a part of your range, so everyone has good reason to believe anyone betting after a turned A.

Most 1/2 players are pot committed after putting $150, half their stack, into the pot. Your opponents know that. So they aren't going to bet the turn with anything less than TP and I would be surprised if they aren't 2P+ unless they are really sharp players and have seen you make several BIG lay downs.
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06-23-2020 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
A. thats an easy fold after you get two callers otf , you gotta let it go

B. Once again if both players call your flop bet and one of them rips into you on an A i think you just have to let it go

I like a smaller bet otf and a X back ott, you could bet there for protection but this board favors their ranges and after two players call your large bet otf in a 3b pot you just have to understand that you could easily be in bad shape
re: bolded there are a ton of hands that will call this flop bet particularly at 1/2. Sizing is fine. If anything I like slightly bigger if their calling ranges are inelastic. But 95 is fine.
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06-23-2020 , 05:02 PM
Thanks for the comments. What's everyone do on an ace or heart turn if they don't lead out and it checks to us? Options seem to be:

(1) shove remaining 1/3 pot on the turn
(2) check back turn, call any blank river if they lead, check back river otherwise
(3) check back turn, fold any river if they lead, check back river otherwise

There's arguments to be made for each. I'd probably rank the choices (1) = (2) >>> (3). Can post thoughts, but thought I'd see what other think first.
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06-24-2020 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
This may be stupid but with 1.6 SPR, 2 fish in the line, probably the best hand, no good turn cards and tons of range for V to call that you beat, I think I just stuff it in on the flop.
Agree. We only have $245 behind, which is less than twice the pot, and one Villain has only $170 behind. I don't see a need to get fancy and try to bet smaller to induce a call. We might, on this board, get called at the bigger sizing, plus even if we don't, we are exploiting the mistake they made by calling preflop.
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06-24-2020 , 04:51 PM
I'm in the jam flop camp.

There is a lot of spacing on a 6-high board and all over pairs. Hard for TT+ to fold, besides and the jam might look like AQs+.

Re the ??: I'd fold to any aggression if a heart or an ace turn.
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06-26-2020 , 10:56 AM
I jam this flop too. When we 3b to ~20% of effective stacks with KK and get two callers, we should be planning to gii if we see pretty much any non-ace flop. On drier flops we may get more value with a different line, but a low wet flop seems like an obvious jam; we get called by lots of lower overpairs and prevent whatever good draws are in Vs' ranges from calling correctly.

imo this spot gets more interesting if we're a little deeper, where we still want to get value now from hands like 88-TT that will often find a fold if we jam. (Then if our cbet gets called, we'd have to assess Vs' ranges and often fold or check behind on A/h turns as OP is asking about.)
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