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11-24-2012 , 11:17 AM
Hero: Crazy wild image. Got slowrolled and took 2 beats. I was annoyed. Abusing the table now and I have been out of line. Raising around 35% of hands for 3 rounds. Following threw with c-bets and barrels. Overbet a couple of times for folds since average stack is around 150-200bbs deep. Ran my stack up

Villain 1: White woman in her 50s. She's a reg and casually dressed. TAG ok player. Very nitty vs raises. We are familiar and she is angry at me right now for my lagness. I gotten her to fold a few hands in small pots and one medium pot when i iso overbet a shortstack allin on the turn and won with 3rd pair. She had TPGK

Villain 2:White man 60s. TAG also. But playing passive vs me. Starting to open up because of my lagness. Never played with him before. Has just folded to my c-bets.

Stacks

Hero $725
V1 $400ish
V2 $375
9 Handed

I raise to $14 with AKo UTG. V1 flats from MP and V2 flats from the SB.

Pot $44

Flop A22r

V1 checks I fire $28, V2 and V1 both flat.

Pot $128

Turn 4

V1 leads for $45, I flat, V2 raises to $145 and V2 jams.

It was like $311 to me with V2 still behind. V2 has $200ish are something like that left.
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11-24-2012 , 11:25 AM
Fold, in a live game I wouldn't be surprised to see A2,A4,35 here. If our opponents don't show a large tendency to get out of line with weird floats I don't no what kind of Ax would take this line and that we can beat.
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11-24-2012 , 11:46 AM
Fold. They are trying to catch you with a weird hand. If you play this style all the time, you should be familiar with villains doing this to ya.
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11-24-2012 , 11:53 AM
OP... if you don't see you are being set up by both those V's you are a terrible player.
Aggression for the sake of aggression is extremely exploitable.
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11-24-2012 , 11:54 AM
I don't know how you're ever ahead of both of them here.
I think it's more likely that 22 / 44 are part of on of thier hands, or 23, since people love to get crazy with that hand, and maybe 35s, but I regardless of what they turn over, you are never ahead of both of them here. V2 has shown some considerable strength on the flop float, after someone else already called, then the raise on the turn when there are still two people to get through.
It's also possible, but unlikely that she had AA and wanted to slow play is vs a known loose aggressive villain, and this line would make perfect sense. (Sure, it's not often, but it fits the story.)

tl;dr: Fold, you can't be good here.
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11-24-2012 , 01:12 PM
Snap fold decision. You can act like you're thinking it over if you want, but if you really are you're making a mistake. No way you're ahead of both, more likely you're third with, at best, four outs to boat the river with an ace or duece.
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11-24-2012 , 01:14 PM
You need to include suits here, specifically whether your ace is the fourth suit on the flop. It has a pretty big impact on combo counts.

With descriptions, I'm not folding. I am raising that weak lead with your image though.

There's one 22 combo, one AA combo, one or zero A2s combos, one to three A4s combos. Neither of these players should show up with 35s/32s/44 as described. Far more combos of big aces going nuts due to tilt/your image. Especially if the turn didn't complete the rainbow.
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11-24-2012 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PoppaTMan
There's one 22 combo, one AA combo, one or zero A2s combos, one to three A4s combos. Neither of these players should show up with 35s/32s/44 as described.
I generally like the combinations you assign.
Obviously unlikely, but V1 can have 44 imho.

I would still fold.
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11-24-2012 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PoppaTMan
You need to include suits here, specifically whether your ace is the fourth suit on the flop. It has a pretty big impact on combo counts.

With descriptions, I'm not folding. I am raising that weak lead with your image though.

There's one 22 combo, one AA combo, one or zero A2s combos, one to three A4s combos. Neither of these players should show up with 35s/32s/44 as described. Far more combos of big aces going nuts due to tilt/your image. Especially if the turn didn't complete the rainbow.
AcKh was my hand. If you raise the turn, what are you making it? $200?

Flop was Ad2h2c turn was 4s if i remember correctly
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11-24-2012 , 04:20 PM
If the turn brought in a flush draw, I'm probably raising to $160 or so. Sets up an easy half pot shove on river with one caller. But with the rainbow being completed, the flat has some merit.

If suits are correct, you're down to A2, A4, 22, AA that beat you with described villains IMO. SB showing up with AA would be pretty surprising with another caller in the pot.

Problem is, it's tough to see V2 b/3b'ing worse on a rainbow board. V1 maybe, but I doubt V2. Probably a fold unless V2 is really solid pre, which we can't really know with limited history. (I'm making the assumption that V2 is doing the b/3b, not V1. The action is screwed up somewhere. Either pre or post the positions are getting flipped)
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11-24-2012 , 04:29 PM
I would include K2s and Q2s in V's ranges...playing this deep they could definitely call raises with these hands hoping to hit a flush. Either way you are probably behind at least one of them here and since there isn't going to be a big side pot you might as well fold. Highly doubtful that either V is doing this with AT-AQ.
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11-24-2012 , 08:46 PM
You will usually be behind here. Passive nitty players generally do not go nuts and try and get it in with a10 and the like for 200bb
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11-24-2012 , 11:17 PM
Meh, I folded. V1 had AKs and V2 had AQs as he called the rest of his stack. Id guess that's the bottom of their range. But I wonder do nitty players like them open their ranges up enough to have A4s or 35? 22 is possible of course. But I doubt 44 ever shows up.
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