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Old 02-01-2016, 05:00 AM   #26
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

I think hero made a good fold on the river. His reads were that V was weak tight. Not many weak tight players at 1/2 bluff the river for 250. It was bad variance for hero to run into a tight player that was capable of making a big bluff.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:09 AM   #27
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

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To the extent that these arguments hold water, they are just as true for AA. What exactly is your 3bet range in this situation?
Actually AA is different because we can stack bad opponents that shove QQ or KK preflop or will stack off if they hold an overpair to the board.

The only reason I agree with 3betting QQ in this spot is because hero has seen V raising a lot from late position plus there is another caller so there is enough dead money in the pot to take down the pot before the flop. This combined with the read that V is weak tight postflop and isnt capable of making moves on us.

This hand is a valuable lesson on how the value of overpairs diminishes as stack sizes increase, and the value of position goes way up.
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:32 AM   #28
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

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Stop trolling.
Sir, take your previous comment, and CHANGE it, so it says the EXACT OPPOSITE. The resulting comment would be just as true as the comment you actually made.

A player had sincere questions about a hand he played, and your comment consisted entirely of allegations and assertions that were unsubstantiated in any way. E.g. "if you three bet... villain can put you in some difficult spots."

And then you call ME a troll. LOL
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Old 02-01-2016, 07:46 AM   #29
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

Its not unsubstantiated. Live poker is a game that is heavily dependant on the tendencies of your opponents. When OP gives us so little info about Vs post flop tendencies,its almost impossible to give an absolute answer that is right or wrong. So I gave my advice with some assertions regarding Vs play. If V is super straight forward you should 3b for value and play face up post flop untill shown signs that he is strong. If hes tricky theres no point bloating the pot oop.

This isnt concise advice by any means, but I dont think its bad. Imo too many posters give absolute advice as if all Vs try to play GTO, instead of trying to exploit V tendencies. Im trying to make OP think about this specific V instead of the spot in a vacuum against any player.
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Old 02-01-2016, 08:18 AM   #30
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

So what you are saying is that he should flat from the blind rather than playing his hand face up. However,

#1 it's a false choice, he doesn't have to do one or the other, and
#2 you haven't provided any evidence, even anecdotal, that the alternative you suggest has a better monetary expectation.
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Old 02-01-2016, 09:37 AM   #31
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

3 bet preflop for value. Logically, we under-rep hands so that villain does not think we are as strong as we are. This can be useful if our villain aggressively bets for thin value or has a ton of air that he will cbet with.

Villain is described as weak-tight, so this isn't really a good spot for this. Just 3b and be prepared to fold vs. reasonable aggression post.
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Old 02-01-2016, 10:41 AM   #32
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

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Reads on villain: Young persian guy just came from broken table. Loose preflop, limp calls a lot pf oop. Positionally aware and raises from late position. Sort of weak tight post flop. Based on 30 mins of play. Decent player who has decent hand reading skills. Correctly guessed a few hands on the table before showdown. We are the 2 biggest stacks on table.
This is all based on seeing roughly 10-15 dealt hands of which villain played a portion? And how would you know whether he was positionally aware given that he hasn't even had a chance to play every position (in relation to the button) twice yet?

That said, I am never flatting a button open with QQ from the BB; I don't care what kind of read you think you have on villain.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:17 PM   #33
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

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So what you are saying is that he should flat from the blind rather than playing his hand face up. However,

#1 it's a false choice, he doesn't have to do one or the other, and
#2 you haven't provided any evidence, even anecdotal, that the alternative you suggest has a better monetary expectation.
What does this even mean? he doesnt have to do one or the other? he doesnt have to flat or 3b?

And you would have to be a maths wizard with tons of info on villain tendencies to build a case for anything 400bb deep. I never said raising is bad either, I said it depends on villain.

not sure why you are even arguing with me, probably just being contrarian for the sake of it because I called you out on your comment about deep lowstake games.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:59 PM   #34
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

The instances where we have to consider flatting in this spot because of villain tendencies is so rare it doesn't even need to be addressed. We can profitably 3bet this spot basically all the time. I can't believe flatting pre is even being discussed here. Super standard 3bet.
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Old 02-01-2016, 03:30 PM   #35
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Re: 1/2 villain's line doesnt add up, how often is he bluffing here?

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Actually AA is different because we can stack bad opponents that shove QQ or KK preflop or will stack off if they hold an overpair to the board.
I am aware of that difference (amongst others), what I said was, to the extent that the poster's arguments hold water, AA is no different to QQ, so what is our 3bet range here if we don't 3bet QQ?
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