Hero is Dealt KT

UTG calls $2

UTG +1 (Hero) raises to $8

BB calls $8

UTG calls $6

Flop ($24): T65

Checks to Hero who bets $15. They both call.

Turn ($69): T65A

Checks to hero who bets $25.

BB call

UTG fold

River($119): T65A3

BB bets $65

Hero ???

UTG: passive. straightforward.

BB: I played a hand with him earlier where he didnt cbet 88 on a 443 board in a heads up pot, UTG+2 vs HJ.

There was also another hand where he open limped in EP and called a iso from the button, where he ended up having A4o.

He's capable of playing wide ranges.

Can you please provide:

stacksizes
reads (not just on the specific villains but on the whole table in general, i.e. when there are 4 limps how often is someone raising the limpers, when someone *does* raise how many of the limpers usually call, is the table passive or aggressive postflop etc.)
number of players at the table

All of these things affect the correct play.

If this is a 9+handed table, I think I fold KTs from UTG+1. It's a pretty hand but it's just too easily dominated. MAYBE I limp along if I'm reasonably sure I'm going to get a 5+way limped or cheap pot, but even then, I'd rather do that from the HJ than UTG+1.

HTH

EDIT: As played, if you didn't flop the best hand you just got disgustingly unlucky, and it happens - that's poker. Since you didn't provide stacksizes it's hard for us to critique your betsize, but betting the flop and semibluffing the turn are almost always fine as played. The only thing I would add is make sure you're thinking at least one move ahead - obviously you're going to bet there, but decide what you're going to do if either BB or UTG raises you BEFORE you put your betting chips in the middle (on BOTH streets - especially the turn - would either of these villains raise you with AJ?)

Absent a solid read otherwise, if you assume 1/2 villains NEVER donk the river without a hand that can beat top pair you will be right far more often than you're wrong. I don't know if this is what's happening to you, but early on I had the hardest *$#@&$ing time kissing my money goodbye when I was clearly beat. It can be really frustrating to put $50+ in the pot and then have to kiss it goodbye, but one of the many things that separates good players from bad players is the ability to lay it down, cut losses and move on to the next hand rather than throw good money after bad.

Again HTH

Me and BB had 120bbs, UTG had 100bbs.

table has shown to be passive postflop.

I dont think it's necessary to go through every read I had on every specific villain at the table. It would be overwhelming and unproductive.

9 handed.



I don't mind my iso here. table was fairly passive preflop. If there was alot of 3betting going on I would reconsider.

My goal is to get position on the person limping UTG, rather than having it go multiway and be OOP.

I know my range and bet accordingly based on what I perceive my opponents ranges to be. I am not sure what you are alluding to here.
Turn is close. In a headsup pot I would always be checking. However I am not too experienced with these multiway spots, so my instinctual response was to protect my hand.

My haphazard plan was to bet turn and check any card that didn't improve my hand OTR


I was planning on calling a raise.


This is not what is happening

i try to make the best decision possible based on my range. once I put money in the pot that money is no longer mine.

are you saying you tend to fold in this spot, if you lack certain information and turn to player pool specific reads?

whats HTH mean?

HTH = hope that helps

When you didn't provide stacksizes and reads and I saw your low post count, I jumped to the conclusion (incorrectly) that you were an inexperienced player who had not read many books and had not had much coaching. Clearly I was wrong.

Inexperienced players tend to post spots like these where they clearly played the hand correctly on the flop and turn but clearly needed to fold the river. A lot of inexperienced players struggle in that spot.

So, I apologize for the confusion.

To answer your question, absent any specific reads to the contrary, I assume 1/2 players never make a sizeable bet on the river unless they can beat top pair.

With all of that said, if your read on the table dynamics is that raising UTG+1 will indeed guarantee a shorthanded flop, I guess it's okay as long as you're well prepared for difficult decisions postflop. If you flop a T you're vulnerable to overcards and if you flop a K you're vulnerable to being dominated by AK, KQ or KJ. I personally prefer to play KTs when I'm more likely to be playing it in position.

HTH

No worries. I should have provided stack sizes. and better table dynamics.

I kind of just posted the hand to see what information is necessary. based on the comments.

As far as table reads go, i see now that I should have mentioned the fact that there hasn't been a 3bet for the hour I have been sitting there and nobody had over 200bbs at the table.

I am still debating with myself whether I should check the turn or if I bet I should bet bigger.

This hand I was guilty of not keeping track of the pot size throughout the hand. I thought I was making a larger bet in relation to the size of the pot at the time.

by sizeable you mean in relation to his stack and not the pot size, right? I think that is where I made a huge mistake, I was thinking "damn $65?!!". When I should be thinking "oh a half pot sized bet, if I call this bet I only need to be right 25% of the time in order to break even.

My emotions at the table are definitely a problem but I am sure I am not the only one. Hopefully making posts like this make help my decision making in the future, who knows. I also just bought one of jared tendlers new books to help with that part of my game. like staying focused.

I will say that I believe I am more prepared than most of my opponents. But still have alot to learn.

Think we should check turn

Hard to imagine he's blocking/punting river with worse. I'd fold this one if I took this line.

Turn check keeps things a bit wider which is good here.

Why should I let my opponents realize their equity with all of their random draws/pair hands?

It seems like I created a linear betting range on the turn because it was multiway and I perceived to be ahead of a large portion of each of their ranges.

My sizing still keeps their ranges wider than what it should be than if bet 3/4ths pot or something. I think getting UTG to not realize his equity here was actually really good for the size of the bet.

What is the reason for keeping their range wider than a smaller bet? Is it to make the river decision is easier for us?

I thought I was giving myself an easy decision on the river since I assumed (incorrectly) most villains would just check

Most 1/2 villains won't make a big turn raise with a hand like AK, AQ, AJ etc., so I like a turn bet of about 1/3 pot because if he has anything other than Ax the A didn't help him, and he just might call with a worse hand for that small bet. Even if he does have Ax we have a lot of equity-when-called against those hands. Even if he makes a small raise like a minraise we have odds to call. He'll very rarely make a raise bigger than that and when he does we can just calculate our odds and decide whether or not to call.

What about realizing yours?

There could be a lot more value in checking EV wise than betting for thin value-protection. You just aren't in great shape when called even when you downbet, and you might benefit by letting a heart that improves their hand and nuts yours roll off. You also have an easier bluff catch should either bet a brick river when the turn checks through - not that it would necessarily be a call, but it's more of a call than betting 2 streets, getting called/overcalled twice and then facing a bet on the end.

I like this thought.

In all, the turn spot is very close imo, and it probably is one of those things where it's fine to do both (check or bet small) from time to time.

but here are the results:

You didnt make a mistake on the river. Fold was good. And listen to Amana about the turn...dead on correct.

I see. My mistake was building a linear range on the turn, when I should be polarizing it.

Thanks everyone for your help. I will try to contribute on 2p2 more often.

Seems like a poor spot to polarize no? You should have lots of hands here, lots of value on this turn especially if you have Ax flop bluffs.

By polarize I mean bet bigger with a smaller portion of my hands.

Like I don't think KK-JJ should get bet on this turn.

Didnt read spoilers

Pre is bad.

Turn we should be checking, betting doesnt make much sense and you could be getting trapped and get raised off your equity. If you’re gonna barrel bet way bigger.

River is weird cuz we bet 30% pot ott. Im ok with either play but in a vacuum im folding, esp vs a guy who didnt cbet 88 on 433 HU

We're crushed by TT/66/55/AT/A5s/A6s, & beat the occasional busted draw like 87s, or 98/97hh. Yeah, they're a bit capped having called twice & not raised, but they still have a high % of value hands. I think at the very best this is a break-even call, and as Minatorr points out, vs a passive CBettor, it's probably a fold.

Too loose or too small?

Betting makes sense to me because I think I am up against wide ranges and I want to protect my equity. That ace hit my range well also. I can get called by worse hands and I am not folding to a raise. I could even 3-bet jam a raise.

I dont want these people with wide ranges floating along with 76o and think they can get away with it. Well...they can, they just have to pay.

I was thinking the same thing. Is this 9-handed? Stack sizes. Etc. in a vacuum, fold

I disagree with checking ott.

Since folks checked to H, its probable that the card didn't help anyone. I'm getting another bet in before the flush scares off the Vs.

AP otr... Flip a coin.

Pre is a fold from that position.

Didnt mean turn should be exclusively checking. What i meant to say is that if you’re going to be betting 30% pot, checking is probably a little better.

Considering the draws otf turn should be 60%+ pot