villains: both seem like they aren't spewers. not the marks at the table! not great though, but aren't splashing around either.

i have $200, they both cover me.

Preflop: i complete sb with 53s after 4 limpers.

Flop: ($10 post rake) J33 flop checks through.

Turn: ($10 post rake) 5 (gives me boat). i bet $10, both villain's call.

River: ($30) T. i bet $20, villain 1 raises to $45, villain 2 shoves, before i can act, villain 1 insta goes for his chips to reshove... action on me...

one of them might be getting hairy with a random 3x, but they both can't be.. so, if they aren't spewers like my read is, then at least one of them has a full house... and my full house is the worst one. thoughts?

Any flush possibilities? Many villains would stack off with a flush here. The only plausible hands for higher boats are JJ, TT, and 55. The only one we are really worried about is 55 since the pot was limped. However, we have a blocker card. Knowing that and the fact that the pot was limped preflop, I snap call.

Easy fold for me if I think their actions are real. One, two game they can have any starting hand.

Lead the flop. Its a disaster for hero that the flop checks through. Since this is a limped hand pre we must expect this flop missed mostly everyone and they won't bet but might call.

As played snap call for 100bb.

Lead the flop OP. On almost any table, lead this flop every time.

I think we can check this once from OOP and hope someone downstream bets. Unless our opponents are esp passive, i think they are going to bet most jacks here, as well as some air (esp the inp one) and middling hands that they would fold if we led from oop. If we check this, there is often going to be a bet anyway.

And if there is not, its not a disaster. If it does get checked through, we can lead the turn and river.... if neither of our opponents had a hand they could bet otf, we weren't likely to get three streets of value in the first place.

Don't get me wrong. i think a bet is fine...as a matter of fact i would probably make a smallish bet here to see what happens. But i don't think a check is that non optimal.... and if the other card was something else i might just check (like if this were 933 i would prob check and give my opponents a free card to catch a pair)
My initial thought is to agree with you.

However, given the action, i just don't see how either of these players have less than trips.

And if both players have trips or better we lose. Maybe sometimes we hit the jackpot and our opponents roll over JT and x3 and we take down the pot, but i relly don't see it happening often enough to justify a call here.


also -- it helps somewhat here to know how much the V's stacks are...not just their eff. stacks with you.... since they are also playing against one another, theyre going to be much less likely to do this without a monster if theyre both quite deep.

Never folding for 100 BB at these stakes

Such a gross spot, there is sooooooooooo few combos we are beat by but given no history of spewing I'd assume one of them must have it. They can't both have a random 3 and if they are getting it in with JT here, your read is waaaaaaaaaaay off. Fold.

Good point abt knowing villains stack sizes against each other.
No flush possible.
Interesting points abt leading flop. Ty

I did a quick count in my head and came up w only 13 combos that beat me, but given the action, concluded that at least one villain likely had one of them. So, I folded. Villain 1 won with TT. Villain 2 had J3s

The players that call in this spot have a giant leak in their game and need to rethink this. As it will follow down to weaker hands as well.

This is a fold. I expect one person to have 55,jj, or 1010. The other person has 3x or a boat too. Small chance someone has qq+ and the other has trips but I think u are crushed here way too often to call. Next time lead flop for $10. Ur logic for checking is flawed, we want to get max value by potting flop and leading turn and river. Too many villains check jx here fearing 3x but will call down 3 streets with jx themselves and a cr is too strong and pushes out jx a lot

+1 since it's ur read, easy fold ... but ur facing AJ(LP) & slow played QQ+(EP) also most of the time
lead the flop my god..
what are the positions?

I would believw I'm beat but by not leading the flop you get put in that situation. I'm nevwr missing value on any street at lower limit games. Get the garbage out and know where you stand. If I take the pot down great of not I have information to proceed to the next street with. Never missing value at 1/2. Forget the fancy stuff

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point taken! thank you!

AJ and or qq make no sense at all the way the hand was played. The only process that would lead us to believe that were facing those hands is one informed slowly by wishful thinking.

+1

I'm late to the party some I'm just going to agree with what slimshady1999 said. I think given the action the river is a fold, if your reads were correct at least one of them has you beat.