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1/2 Two Spots Where AA Faces A Flop Shove 1/2 Two Spots Where AA Faces A Flop Shove

03-01-2015 , 12:14 AM
Hand One:

Villain is on my immediate left. He's pretty aggressive but I don't have any specific reads on him. I have 320 ish and he covers. I had missed my BB and posted 3 this hand.

He raises from late position to 28. This is a massive raise for this game. It folds around to me. As I go to look at my cards villain starts goading me into making the call. I look down at AA and make it 68 total.

Villain hems and haws about calling appears to fold and then starts with the talk "I know you have a pair, I should fold . . ." then he flats.

Flop comes Q-8-4 rainbow. I lead out for 70 and villain gives me the ol' "70 dollars hmmmm I'm all in" speech and shoves for 260 total.

When dealer goes to collect the bet he genuinely seems surprised that I had that much money behind.

Hero . . .

Hand Two:

A similar spot but I have a lot more specific information about this player. This guy is one of my favorite people to play with. He cannot go for thin value. He will check/call with nutty strong hands on the river. He always buys in 20-30 bbs deep even when he's winning and a table breaks. He has a history of flatting my pre flop bets and donk shoving flops when he has middle pair, open ended, any flush draw etc but this is always when he is super short. Plays semi-decent short stack but cannot play deep stacked poker. Earlier today he was up to 80 bbs and he semi bluffed min check raised a turn bet and shoved river with a busted draw and I called down with mediocre kickered trips.

He is about 150 bbs deep and I cover. I see out of the corner of my eyes him preloading what looks like a raise from the SB, I look down at AA and make it 10 pre flop. He gives me a weird look. I interpreted it like "hmm should I re-raise here with this hand that probably beats his" he flats. We go to the flop alone.

Flop comes Q-6-2 with the Q and 2 of clubs. I do not have the A of clubs.

He open shoves.

Hero . . .
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03-01-2015 , 12:51 AM
Hand one, SPR is < 3. I'm not folding. He could easily be "putting you on AK" here.

Hand 2, limp/re-raise him when you see the pre-loaded raise.

AP, I would usually fold here, but given the reads, I think this is also a call. Not a very happy one, but he apparently often has a FD here, and it will only come in about 1/3 of the time. If he's mixed up his play to get fat value with his set because he knows you know that this is usually a vulnerable hand, up your estimate of him, as you just got out-leveled.
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03-01-2015 , 12:54 AM
The first hand I think is an easy call vs that villain description and for the second Hand it's pretty difficult because you guys are deep but if you know he donks into flops with garbage and can't play deep stacked I"m probably going to call, a lot of times I see the super overbet on flush draw flops to be an overpair that villains doesn't want to have get sucked out on.
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03-01-2015 , 12:59 AM
I'd say call both and expect to have to dodge cards.

Hand one might be a set of queens, but it could also very well be kings or a guy overvaluing his AQ. With all that talk too, he could be overconfidently bluffing and then snapped back into reality when he sees how much you actually have. It was a late position raise after all. I'm not feeling good about it though.

Hand two could also be a set of queens, but besides that, based on your reads this is an easier call than the first.
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03-01-2015 , 01:12 AM
Calling both
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03-01-2015 , 03:32 AM
Um yeah, i expect my chips beat theirs into the pot at least 50% of the time here....
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03-01-2015 , 09:46 AM
1. Trivial call

2. I fold, Even if he ships with AQ/Axcc/QQ/66/22 Live logic "I flopped a set, last time I bet a flush hit, I don't want a flush to hit, I'm all in"
He's shipping $290 into a $25 pot
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03-01-2015 , 10:04 AM
Interesting. So we have some conflicting viewpoints.

I will say that villain in hand two has not open flop-shipped even half that many chips in the maybe 40 hours I've played with him. Of course he is very rarely this deep so I don't have much sample size to gage his adjustments.

I didn't really put him on a flush draw here. There was so little in the pot + his weird tank-call pre makes me think he has a pocket pair 99+. When he shipped I felt like he had QQ+. If we put him on squarely the remaining combos of QQ, KK, and the AA I feel like we have to call.
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03-01-2015 , 11:22 AM
Hand one you're calling $190 to win $460 or better than 2-1. Your SPR pre is less than 3. I'm never ever ever folding.

Hand two is a call because he's got the NFD in his range, who the hell is shoving a set in this spot? Ride that variance wave....
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