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01-14-2014 , 12:37 AM
raise/put him all in, well played imo
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01-14-2014 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MackCorl
Make a plan and stick with it.

By calling the flop raise you need to have it made up that if the turn hits you/misses him you are getting it in or don't call the flop raise.

Don't go into these situations blind.
What if the plan involves evaluation? Surely if we receive new information on the turn we should use that to re-think our original plan, no?

The basic plan I had when calling the flop was that I could get money in OTT when a blank hits since his equity will be severely reduced. I don't see any point in gii OTF when most of his realistic range is either a slight underdog to a big favorite. Blank turns will cut part of his range's equity in half. However, I wanted to look at his bet sizing/timing/demeanor to further evaluate the likelihood that he holds a set vs the likelihood that he holds a 12 out draw. It was alarming to me that he would quickly bet out a 3/4 psb on the turn after a card arrived that was more likely to help my range than his; the bet size/manner seemed to say, "I know that card was more likely to help you, but I really don't care." I expected to see at least a slight pause if he held something like QJss. So at this point I felt like I could beat a hand like A3ss, but began to feel his actions made it seem somewhat likely he shows up with 44/77.
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01-14-2014 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Axel Foley
Sunday night at Luxor. A few players have left and the action has quieted down a lot. Table is seven handed.

Villain is a white guy in his early twenties. He sat down two hands ago and folded one of them. No other reads. Starts with $200.

Hero has $700 in front of him. I've been playing a TAG game with VPIP/PFR of about 16/13 after 200 hands, but villain won't know that.

On to the hand:

Folds to hero OTB and I look down at A 9 and raise to $12. SB folds, villain calls in BB. $21 in pot after drop.

Villain checks in the dark.

Flop 9 7 4. Hero bets $16, villain raises to $45. Hero calls. $111 in pot.

When a young player c/r a flop this wet I think they can have draws in their range a decent percentage of the time. So I see his range as fairly wide. Sets and two pairs have me crushed, two spades higher than a nine have roughly 50/50 equity against me, while I'm ahead of A rag, OESDs, worse 9s. Is this a pretty standard call vs an unknown young player?

Turn A. Villain leads for $80. Hero ???

In game a question I pondered was whether me having two pair really changes much. The six possible combos of 97 now go from the loss column to the win column, but I'm not sure whether he even calls with all of those combos; if he calls with just 97s then I've only moved three combos from losses to wins. The big benefit I see from an ace showing up on the turn is that if he were playing a hand like A 8 then he would probably lead and call off his remaining $70 without hesitation.

So the two questions I have:

a) Which action do you take given the turn and villain's action?
b) How much benefit do we really have from turning two pair in this specific situation? In other words, should villain be so polarized between sets and draws at this point that TPTK was roughly equal to two pair anyway?
Results:

I tank for 10 seconds and then push out two stacks of red. He calls pretty quickly. I ask if he has a set. He says yes and tables 77.

River is the 8. I muck my hand.

Don't think I can ever realistically fold the turn no matter how strongly I perceive his betting. Only way I get away OTT is if he accidentally exposes his hand. My real chance to escape was the flop...still debating whether I'd be better off to make this a default b/f against a young unknown player.
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01-14-2014 , 03:15 AM
If you see him again, use this to construct a HU flop c/r range. Despite how nitty/loose/young/Asian/etc people look like, some of their most aggressive lines are actually with very narrow ranges.
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