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07-05-2018 , 03:34 PM
Villain (EP): 70s white guy, just sat less than an orbit ago and hasn't played a hand yet ($300)

Hero (MP): late 20s Asian guy, no image yet vs villain (covers)

Villain opens $15 in EP. Hero looks down at 77 and calls in MP. SB calls.

Flop: 822 ($43)

Villain bets $15. Hero calls. SB folds.

Turn: 7 ($72)

Villain bets $35. Hero ???

It's so obvious what this nit has. So the question is just what's the best way to get it in. Flatting let's him bet again, but IF the river isn't scary. Lot's of rivers are scary though. Any club, spade or straight completing card will be scary. If he checks he probably won't fold to a single bet, but he certainly isn't gonna bet/call his stack. If I raise I can still look like I'm on a flush draw and he can call or even shove to protect (live logic). Only problem is he might make a nitty fold especially with a weaker overpair. But I'm young and Asian and I find that a lot of old white guys are stubborn af especially vs my demographic and just refuse to fold to me.
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07-05-2018 , 04:16 PM
Pretty standard raise to 95.
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07-05-2018 , 04:25 PM
Situation like this, in game I usually make it about 1/3 of my stack to set up an easy river push, so 1/3 of $270 = $90. Looking at it more carefully, I see no reason to deviate from that at all.
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07-05-2018 , 04:39 PM
I tend to flat here and jam river if he bets, or if we get an action killing river, make a 3/4 bet that he will ckc. Can't go wrong raising turn either, but I just hate to risk the guy not putting more money in the pot with the OP so I station almost everything against these types.
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07-06-2018 , 02:16 AM
Pretty easy raise with double flush draws and lack of perceived value range here. Plus you're asian so that helps.
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07-06-2018 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Pretty easy raise with double flush draws and lack of perceived value range here. Plus you're asian so that helps.


Spots like this don't come up too often. But especially vs this villain type this is how my stereotype benefits me.
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07-06-2018 , 04:34 AM
Raise to $90-$95 to set up a reasonable river jam, then throw up in the back of your mouth a little bit when an A or K peels off OTR. LOL
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07-06-2018 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by branch0095
Raise to $90-$95 to set up a reasonable river jam, then throw up in the back of your mouth a little bit when an A or K peels off OTR and villain donk shoves. LOL
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07-06-2018 , 08:36 AM
Since V just sat, I'm actually happy to raise about 1/2 my remaining stack to scramble his mind up for later hands where we need FE. Make it big.
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07-06-2018 , 09:55 AM
I like a small turn raise now to build a pot followed by either a large bet on the river when FD's miss or something that AA/KK can call if they get there.
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07-06-2018 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Pretty standard flat.
Yep
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07-06-2018 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Yep
You think he's barreling? Don't really see any good reason to flat if we give him high probability of overpair.
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07-06-2018 , 11:54 AM
I prefer a flat because it keeps our range wide. Pretty sure we are never raising a nit with a draw given these odds.
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07-06-2018 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
I prefer a flat because it keeps our range wide. Pretty sure we are never raising a nit with a draw given these odds.
Situationally dependent ldo, but I am definitely raising with a draw on this turn some % of the time.
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07-06-2018 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
I prefer a flat because it keeps our range wide. Pretty sure we are never raising a nit with a draw given these odds.
Cmon, really? We're playing GTO against this random old dude at 1/2?
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07-06-2018 , 12:46 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing . I don't hate an exploitative raise when we have a solid read but we have no read and are just stereotyping him.
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07-06-2018 , 02:28 PM
There's no need to be balanced here, IMO. Old man in this spot has an overpair like 99% of the time and isn't likely to fold it. V of this description isn't likely to triple barrel bluff either. Raise to $95ish now before a scare card hits, of which there are many. Jam rivers. If his two outer gets there it was gonna get there regardless, and that's life sometimes.
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07-06-2018 , 02:40 PM
why not just fold the flop? what am i missing?
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07-06-2018 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
You think he's barreling? Don't really see any good reason to flat if we give him high probability of overpair.
There is a lot of value in allowing a face up old man to continue betting for value. Rivers are going to be bet-called mostly (resulting in a stack off even w his small turn sizing) or check-called if a quarter of the action killing cards peel but he might still bet anyway. Also, this player archetype is going to check his TT-QQ sometimes even a good river for those hands, relying on a check and call line - we can bet just about any amount/shove and get called often. Maybe we have a few just calls too sometimes on the river (like if he smashes A/K riv (this looks to have actually happened here but whatever), but flatting super duper strong against any opponent and then going ballistic on rivers has made me piles.
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07-06-2018 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Cmon, really? We're playing GTO against this random old dude at 1/2?
ikr. What is this range talk? Doesn't matter how wide our range is it matters how to get the money in vs an obvious overpair because scare cards come.

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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
There's no need to be balanced here, IMO. Old man in this spot has an overpair like 99% of the time and isn't likely to fold it. V of this description isn't likely to triple barrel bluff either. Raise to $95ish now before a scare card hits, of which there are many. Jam rivers. If his two outer gets there it was gonna get there regardless, and that's life sometimes.
This is exactly my thinking. A lot of rivers are gonna be scary and he will check which makes it harder to stack him. If I raise now he can at least justify calling off his stack even on an overcard river cause I could have a busted draw. There's just no way he folds an overpair to a raise so might as well pile the money in and guarantee at least getting a third street of value.
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07-06-2018 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
why not just fold the flop? what am i missing?
To a 1/3 pot cbet? Not a chance. Flop bets don't necessarily mean strength, even from a nitty old man. I find that villains often give away the strength of their hand on the turn.
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07-07-2018 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
There is a lot of value in allowing a face up old man to continue betting for value. Rivers are going to be bet-called mostly (resulting in a stack off even w his small turn sizing) or check-called if a quarter of the action killing cards peel but he might still bet anyway. Also, this player archetype is going to check his TT-QQ sometimes even a good river for those hands, relying on a check and call line - we can bet just about any amount/shove and get called often. Maybe we have a few just calls too sometimes on the river (like if he smashes A/K riv (this looks to have actually happened here but whatever), but flatting super duper strong against any opponent and then going ballistic on rivers has made me piles.
This post is so good i want it deleted. It will be ignored anyway tho so i can sleep good tonight.
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07-07-2018 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
This post is so good i want it deleted. It will be ignored anyway tho so i can sleep good tonight.
Just trolling. Rest easy knowing no one plays the way they post anyway.
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