V1 (250): 60ish white guy, seems okay and fairly tight, not spewy but I've only been at table for 45ish minutes.

V2 (225): 40ish Hispanic guy. Loose passive player who is not afraid to call down small to medium bets w/ 2nd or 3rd pair (but has folded hands he seems to somewhat like to bigger bets). Our game is being influenced by Seat 3 (not involved in this hand) has been raising 75% of hands to 12 - 15 and V2 along with Seat 2 have been calling most of these raises.

Hero (475): 30ish white guy, probably seems tighter at this table because I've been a bit card dead. With seat 3 dominating the action w/ his pre-flop raises and smart, somewhat controlled aggression, I haven't had the cards/position to fight back.

Pre-flop: Folds to V1 who limps in CO, V2 limps on Button, Hero calls SB w/ 73, BB checks

Flop (7): 37J Hero leads for 11, BB folds, V1 calls

Turn (40): 3 Hero bets 20, V1 calls, V2 calls.

River (100): Q Hero?

CRAI

But betting again is fine too.

Bet $60. Get value from both opponents and if you get raised, ship it.
You have two opponents, one of them is likely to have the flush, and is likely to raise, esp with a high flush.

If you check, they might check back with hands like AJ, KJ, JT. You might not get any value. Don't count on the to bet for you, as some players. If the even check back QJ on this river after the obvious flush draw gets there.
But, if you lead, you'll def get called by QJ, and maybe by AJ, KJ, and you'll likely get raised by big flushes (small flushes might just call).

Checking and missing value would be disaster. You'd have to be very, very sure someone was going to bet in order for checking to be the better play.
Also, CRAI is likely only getting value from one opponent in is spot, while leading could get value from both. V1 could have QJ, V2 could have flush. You bet, V1 calls, V2 raises, you ship. More value.

You got...

Old and fairly tight.

and loose passive.

I would just overbet the pot.

I agree with CRAI.

It's also beneficial to have V2, the described loose, light caller player, in position..making c/r even better.

bet something like $50-60 which allows both Vs to call with a good chunk of their range. i dont like c/r river because Vs are checking back everything except flushes. Additionally, V's are fairly likely to raise flushes here anyway (because 1/2) so we're getting it against those hands anyway. So at least betting allows both Vs to make calling mistakes.

You guys must be in decent games to think that:

-V is betting with flush here a lot.
-CRAI has more value.

Let's say V1 bets $40, V2 folds, and H goes CRAI. V1 has $179 left and has to call 11% of the times to have same EV as calling a $60 bet cold. 17% for $70 total, 28% for $90 total.

On top of all that, you have to account for all the times that V1 doesn't bet.

Compare that vs few other scenarios such as V1 bets $50 and V2 calls, or whatever. Do the rundown of each scenario and compare math.

Finally, try $100 or $110 overbet and see the probability of that.

It's actually a fairly trivial spot if you just run all the scenarios.

Do we think either V has a raising range if we bet?

Obviously they do if we bet something like $20, but if we bet $100? Would either V jam over top with AX? Is betting like $150 the best option here?

From my experience, if we plan to crai, it will be a sigh call for most 1/2 opponents.

But I'm totally willing to change my mind based on the rest of the discussion.

Why wouldn't V bet with a flush here 100% of the time?

in fact V is raising a flush when we bet here 99% of the time, unless ofc we overbet it and look ludicrously strong. most 1/2 players arnt quick enough to assign us a value range of only boats.

As I said betting is fine and "standard". Can't go wrong value betting here.

I don't normally get fancy with river value c/r but this board, hero's perceived range and line looks like a good spot. That Qc is such an apparent "scare card" for the majority of hero's potential holdings, that I expect a lot of bets from our opponents here. They are definitely betting flushes.

The only issue is Vs descriptions. Loose passive and tight aren't the best V's for this to work but I'd be tempted to try in this particular scenario.

Tight players see flush as bluff catchers on a paired board.

If your pool has tight players who make these bets on river, then by all means, consider CR.

Yeah, which kinda goes along with my previous question re: do Vs even have a raising range on the river? Which makes betting something like $150 (or jamming?!) the best line, perhaps?