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06-03-2018 , 07:02 PM
1/2 Montreal casino

Villain is a white female in her mid 40s. She's been at my table for the last 2 hours and she's running something like 35/4. While she's clearly a weak passive player, she knows every dealer and she seems to have basic handreading skills.

Hero is 30 y/o TAG who has been losing quite a bit since she sat down. Two orbits prior, I went bet-bet-bet/fold against an old guy. 575 effective.

3 limps, V completes, hero checks 84c

Flop : 44Q (10$)

V checks, hero bets 6$, 2 folds, CO limper calls, V calls

Turn : 8 (28$)

V checks, hero bets 15, CO folds, V raise to 40, hero re-raises to 100, V calls

River : K (128$)

V bets 90, hero raises to 250

I think my sizing OTT is way too small. As played, with 465 left OTR, we are raise/folding...right? Villain has every 4x hand combos and I thought she would be able to fold her worst 4s if I went nuclear.

What's the best sizing for this stupid spot? Thx!
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06-03-2018 , 07:36 PM
Grunch from title alone: Congrats!
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06-03-2018 , 07:40 PM
Post Grunch Edit: With a losing image and an unlikely boat, I am never folding river, even to a re-raise from a weak passive MAWL. If she has QQ, GG.

I bet 25 OTT. AP, I make it $130 on the re-raise for pure value. River sizing is fine.

Last edited by Garick; 06-04-2018 at 08:04 AM. Reason: didn't mean to reccomend a giant overbet OTF. That was a typo
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06-03-2018 , 07:42 PM
Sizing is fine. You aren't going to felt everyone every time you make a hand better than 2P.

Nice bink, you made more than you should've with 84. Now take your pot and move on, greed is not good in poker.
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06-04-2018 , 12:47 AM
happy to GII here all day. never folding river to a shove. not at these stakes / with these reads.

i think your sizings are all a little on the small side. not by a ton, but a bit. usually when i flop huge in a limped pot where there's hardly any money in the middle i'll bet close to pot, or more than pot, depending on how many players / how interested people look. here i would have bet $8-10. i get the thinking behind Garick's $25 sizing, which is that if you're calling on this flop, you're calling $25. it's a valid option. i prefer to have a better shot at two villains coming along and having their hands improve to tow pair or pick up equity OTT.

a slightly larger sizing OTF has cascading effects later in the hand and can help you get stacks in. people just don't compute the difference between a $6 bet and a $10 bet into $10 the way they would a $600 vs $1000 one into $1000.

OTT, the board is still pretty bone dry, so i can understand the inclination to bet smaller, but once 2 Vs show interest in the hand OTF, we can go for a bit more value. i'd bet around $18, and 3x her raise to $120.

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Originally Posted by martin_malin
Hero is 30 y/o TAG who has been losing quite a bit since she sat down.
not sure i this refers to hero or villain but, assuming you're female (despite your username) - if not, still interesting to think about:

i suspect you could open up your bet sizing a bit, particularly as a female player. male players tend to want to tangle with female players instinctively due to a variety of factors. making larger bets when you have it plays well into this. if i were a female player i would definitely skew my sizings up when betting for value, and make more use of overbets and large bluffy-looking raises. the last thing most guys want is to get bluffed by a woman. use it to your advantage
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06-04-2018 , 12:56 AM
Im not folding river if re raised. I also would raise turn bigger. Maybe 150 or so. Mostly wp though

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06-04-2018 , 05:03 AM
This is mostly fine, except bet a little bigger ott. Also your river pot size is wrong. Should be 228.

AP, I would raise less otr, and fold to a 3b. Tbh, if she donked bigger, like 2/3 pot, I would just flat. The people saying they're never folding to a jam have lost their minds. When a passive player 3b jams 300bb otr in a limped pot on a paired board, she has a boat every single time. This is a trivial fold if 3b.
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06-04-2018 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
This is mostly fine, except bet a little bigger ott. Also your river pot size is wrong. Should be 228.

AP, I would raise less otr, and fold to a 3b. Tbh, if she donked bigger, like 2/3 pot, I would just flat. The people saying they're never folding to a jam have lost their minds. When a passive player 3b jams 300bb otr in a limped pot on a paired board, she has a boat every single time. This is a trivial fold if 3b.
Yeah we have a boat but it's the worst boat, therefore logic says if she only does this with boats, we lose. Seems to me like she has Q4 a lot. Still calling as played though.
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06-04-2018 , 07:04 PM
that's cray. 1/2 villains consider any decent 4x the nuts here. YMMV. i play/played in good games. never folding except against very specific villains.
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06-05-2018 , 02:10 AM
when it comes to turning a boat, I tend to have the villian to lead out . check/call and check call. because all though I have a great boat, based on this board, I might not have the nuts. and the only people (if they are good player) who would call my reraise on the river are those who have the nuts or think they do. unfortunately I dont see the value in risking get to more money if in the end it will cost me my own
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06-05-2018 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
This is mostly fine, except bet a little bigger ott. Also your river pot size is wrong. Should be 228.

AP, I would raise less otr, and fold to a 3b. Tbh, if she donked bigger, like 2/3 pot, I would just flat. The people saying they're never folding to a jam have lost their minds. When a passive player 3b jams 300bb otr in a limped pot on a paired board, she has a boat every single time. This is a trivial fold if 3b.
Mostly this although it would be a harder fold for me.
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06-05-2018 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
This is mostly fine, except bet a little bigger ott. Also your river pot size is wrong. Should be 228.

AP, I would raise less otr, and fold to a 3b. Tbh, if she donked bigger, like 2/3 pot, I would just flat. The people saying they're never folding to a jam have lost their minds. When a passive player 3b jams 300bb otr in a limped pot on a paired board, she has a boat every single time. This is a trivial fold if 3b.
+2, not that I could actually do it in person.
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