V1 (EP): MAWG, loose pre, has been caught bluffing a few times ($300)
V2 (HJ): 20s Euro guy, loose pre and seems new to poker; tried to smoke at the table and got shut down immediately LOL ($350)
Hero (BTN): late 20s Asian guy, TAG image asides from showing a bluff shove on river after turn brought a four straight (covers)

V1 limps in EP. V2 makes it $12 in HJ. CO calls. Hero calls on BTN with KQ. V1 calls.

Flop: J93 ($46)

V1 checks. V2 bets $23. CO folds. Hero calls. V1 calls.

Turn: 4 ($115)

Checked to hero. Hero ???

Seems like a standard spot to bet. However V1 can potentially raise me off my equity and V2 might be a station. If I brick the river I basically have to bet again to take it down and I don't really wanna do that vs V2 although I can vs V1. I think KTs or QTs would be a better candidate to bluff in this specific situation although readless both probably should bet. Check back or bet $70?

Feels look like you're almost always getting called in at least 1 spot and you'd need to plan to bet (shove?) The river to win the hand.

I'd take the free card.

+1 /

3bet pre.

Flop is ok.
Turn: checking is ok, but V2 likely barrels all his Jx and overpairs on the turn and V1 has a bunch of weak pairs, so i like a bet better. However if we bet turn it should be with the intention to shove most rivers.

Dont worry about getting raised off your equity, we likely have <15% equity vs most hands that x/raise on this turn.

Flop is decent spot to flat, dont really like the 3b here vs a 6x iso coming from a “noob.”

Otf call is std.

Ott seems fine to bet, we can def get called by worse and we have a lot of outs vs pairs

I forgot to mention, I dunno how much this plays into it but part of the reasoning for checking back is the bluff I showed very recently. Of course, even with that, V1 is gonna have a hard time calling a hand like T9 with V2 left to act (who probably just cbet once and gave up since turn checking ranges following a flop cbet tend to be weak, giving me the green light to bluff).

Dont show bluffs

With that in consideration you should prob be checking

The time for a bluff raise was on the flop. Calling is really not good at all.

That 4s decimated your equity. As played you should just be trying to realize what's left of it.

I take the free card. With KQ and calling raises, does anyone else worry about your hand being dominated by the raiser or am i still exhibiting 2005 levels of thinking?

Pre 3b and call are both fine.

Flop you need to mix in folds here. Calling here 100% of the time is probably a torch but certainly fine against confirmed one-and-done types. Too often you're going to get some marginal result like EP coming along, or turn is a brick and we have no plan like now.

If you think your hand is too decent to fold and calling isn't going to get it done then I can get behind mixing in a flop raise. You block some tpgk combos and you're deep enough to put in some barrels.

Also why show bluffs when now you want to bluff and get people to fold? I thought the point is to tilt the table or get lighter call downs later, implying you'll play like tighter. I could see showing a bluff toward the end of the night and take advantage of some image for the final few orbits but it's not clear that's what you're doing.

Sounds more like tournament talk.

Vs a regular 6x iso raise from most players, mucking is pretty std.

Dont really know what a “new” player’s iso raise range is tho

It's 1/2. Standard open raise is 5x. We have people in one thread arguing about 3 betting AQs vs EP for value now we have people saying fold KQs in position vs someone who probably is horrible at poker? :O

Looks fine so far.

given the recent bluff information I agree check behind. If you had a solid image then I'd bet and plan to fire on all rivers too.


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I did say in my first post to be flatting KQs here against the “noob”, though i was saying ^^ that against most tight passives’ whose RFI is like 99+, AJ+ or possibly even way tighter, we can fold vs their 6x iso raise