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1/2: Turn IP w/ TPTK... value or pot control? 1/2: Turn IP w/ TPTK... value or pot control?

07-26-2017 , 10:10 PM
Villain ($180): 45ish WG, claims to be a car salesman, very talkative at the table about local sports. Pretty generic player, fairly passive, in the 1.5 hrs we've been playing together he's raised twice pre. Played his share of hands but I wouldn't call him loose.

Hero ($850): 30ish WG, most active pre-flop raiser and have taken pots down both at showdown and through others folding. I haven't shown any turn/river bluffs and just have been getting good cards, so I probably appear a bit more loose than I am.

One limper in MP, Hero raises in HJ to $12 w/ AQ. V calls in BB, limper calls.

Flop ($32): Q92 checks to Hero, Hero bets $20, V calls, limper folds.

Turn ($70): Q92 T V checks dark. Hero??

I've found over time that I tend to play these type of hands in position w/ bet, check, bet lines (obviously depending on what cards come and what Vs do) and thus getting 2 streets of value. But I've been wondering if betting the turn has merit here. Also, at 1/2 are you guys ever going for 3 streets of value if blanks or semi-blanks come?
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07-26-2017 , 10:29 PM
When people check "dark" it usually means 2 things imo, 1 they have a drawing hand or 2 they have some part of the board and dont really know what to do so they check dark so there is no decision to make.
As for the hand you are really in 2 thoughts of mind and it really depends on villains range is.
If he is on the draw you want to charge him as on the river he is rarely going to put money in unless he hits but if he has something half decent (TP no kicker or MP etc) then you might scare him off and a check turn might get 1 more bet out of him on the river.
Overall in general I like bet turn and depending on river bet or check
I think maybe $40 sizing but it really comes down too how much you think he will pay


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07-26-2017 , 10:34 PM
I would check turn, call/bet river here. Many will advocate for raise but you only get value from qj/KQ and double him up if he has anything else. 9 would probably fold here but might call river bricks.
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07-26-2017 , 10:34 PM
$50, plenty of value to be had from his jx
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07-27-2017 , 01:39 AM
I'd go for three streets. On wet boards I'm going to have drawing hands that are going to want to triple barrel, so I don't mind throwing some thin value hands in there. The other nice thing about wet boards is that if we're beaten on the turn here, we're definitely going to hear about it. If he has T9 then it sucks if we get checkraised off our hand, but other checkraises he might have (QT, KJ, J8) we're drawing slim or dead, so it's not going to help to see a river and pay off a bet anyway. I quite like our chances of getting three streets from KQ or QJ here.
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07-27-2017 , 01:44 PM
If we do go for 3 streets with this TPTK type of hand, do we size fairly small on the river?
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07-27-2017 , 02:48 PM
I go 50 on this turn, no need to pot control here at the moment as if the river is awful we can check it back anyway... I expect us to be ahead the majority of the time here and we are losing value if we don't bet this turn.... Oop I would like a check on the turn...
In terms of sizing I would be looking at between 1/3 and 1/2 pot on the river, nice and inviting for our villan to call.....obvious bet folding against most villans here.
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