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08-03-2019 , 06:20 PM

SpinzFTW

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Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 329

Villain has shown good holdings, seems competent, waiting for 2/5. He sits with $250 we have him out chipped. I have tight image only opening 2 hands in the last 2 hrs. Second villain (who is not the main villain) has shown maniac tendencies as he is waiting for 2/5 seat.

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Hero is utg with A(s)Q(h) opens to $12
Main villain mp flats, second villain flats in co

Flop ($39) Ac 7c 8s

Hero leads 30 both vs call

Turn ($130) Ks

Hero checks, main v bets $170, maniac v folds

Main v has $30-40 behind

Hero ??

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08-03-2019 , 07:33 PM

QuadJ

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You should have continued on the turn, none of the obvious draws got there and it would be easier to fold if your raised then. As played it's sort of guessing if villain has you beat or is trying to push you out of the pot. If villain has a king high flush draw he may think he has the best hand after you check.

For the most part I lean fold. He bet with possible action behind and he bet big but left himself a trivial amount left over.

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08-03-2019 , 08:22 PM

matzah_ball

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Villain can be value betting worse so. Not folding.

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08-03-2019 , 08:53 PM

jpsychlady

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I would bet the turn, 75ish.
As played, I don’t think I’m folding. A 2/5 player almost always 3! AK preflop. I think he also raises 78 on the flop
I think KXc turns up here a lot as does AJ and AT

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08-04-2019 , 06:21 AM

venice10

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Very rarely do I disagree with QuadJ, but this is one of those times. I would have bet the turn to get one more call out of a FD, but checking here is OK for the purpose of jiggling the idiot switch. Overbetting the turn, but leaving 30 behind doesn't strike me that you are up against when the best 2/5 players out there. In addition, there is a general trend that when higher stakes players are playing lower stakes waiting for a table, they tend to treat the table like it is play money.

Put him all in because you aren't folding. If he needs to hit his FD to win the hand, no reason to let him walk away with 30.

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08-04-2019 , 01:35 PM

JPeezy55

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Tough spot. My first thought was that $170 into $130 on a wet board from a competent player seems like a draw. But he’s also got the maniac behind him - unclear if that is an aggro maniac or a calling station maniac but that guy has to keep him honest.

I think it’s a close call because I think we are ahead a lot and although v2 complicated things he is probably also getting out of the way.

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08-04-2019 , 03:03 PM

ashtona

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Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 150

I question the competency of someone betting $170 into $130 with $30-40 behind
AP I'm getting it in

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08-04-2019 , 03:29 PM

johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by ashtona

I question the competency of someone betting $170 into $130 with $30-40 behind
AP I'm getting it in

This + I’m questioning how good of a 2/5 player he is if he only has $250 in front of him (assuming max BI is 300).

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08-04-2019 , 04:46 PM

SpinzFTW

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

This + I’m questioning how good of a 2/5 player he is if he only has $250 in front of him (assuming max BI is 300).

Max bi is $250 in this 1/2 game.

Comments seem to lean towards a call, which I did.

Villain shows 77 for a set.

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08-05-2019 , 12:41 PM

#10

PROPOSITION_JOE

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Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 889

Vs a set in this spot is ugly as there can definitely be plenty of bluffing hands in his range.

turn check caps your range as your strongest value hands are not going to slow on this wet, draw heavy board - a perfect candidate to apply max pressure on you is something like J10ss that floats flop or of that variety (either the clubs or backdoor spade draw)

maybe some range wizards out there can break down what his value to bluffs may look like on that turn spot - im willing to think it would be a call. (although holding As isnt great btw blocking some of this bluffing overbets).

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