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Originally Posted by AbqDave
Curious re: your thoughts preflop.
For the sake of discussion, I'll cite Maddog2030's research, which showed that "flopping sexy" with a suited two-gapper is 18%; with Axs, 17%. Which surprised the crap out of me.
So I'm down with playing it from the button, just wondering if raising it wouldn't have been the thing? Seems like you're giving away a lot of information by over-limping.
If there is an argument for raising 85s over limpers at 1/2, it probably doesn't involve not giving away information about our hand. If we're over-limping 85s here, then our over-limping range is probably a decent amount wider than our raising range here. Additionally, 1/2 villains simply aren't paying much attention to 'ranges', and will still most likely be playing their own two cards, except more likely to stack off with TPMK since AK is less likely to be out there in their minds. If the table has enough players who we need to balance our ranges against, then we should probably just table change.
Raising 85s depends upon stack sizes, whether the limpers limp/fold or limp/call more often, and how fit/fold the limp-calling types are.
That said, although we flop 'sexy' with 85s slightly more often than AXs, 85s is a hand I'm more likely to want to fold pre here since our good flops have a lot more bad turns/rivers than those for AXs (counter-feiting 2P, 4th of our suit). Additionally, our good flops often carry some significant RIO, since our 2P hands are rarely top two (and almost never top two by the river), we're always on the ass-end of flush/flush, and if we flop a straight, T8 is very easily in live limping ranges.