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1/2: TT, shove 9 high flop or no? 1/2: TT, shove 9 high flop or no?

06-06-2016 , 07:12 AM
Loose fishy 1/2 game

V1 ($100, on tilt, utg) raises $12,
V2 ($350, another donk) calls in MP,
V3 ($450, fish) calls in HJ,
Hero ($375, SB) raises to $50 with TT hoping to iso-gii with fish,
All 3 call.

Flop ($200): 9 3 2
Hero ???
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06-06-2016 , 07:26 AM
I will never shove $325 into $200 on the flop here. You're folding out a lot of 9s, 77-88, and weak flush draws if you shove, and no hand that beat you is going to fold.

Bet $125 and call a shove. If called, shove non-heart turns. Do you have the Th?
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06-06-2016 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cassurai
Do you have the Th?

Yes
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06-06-2016 , 08:01 AM
I shouldn't have said shove all non-heart turns.

I would bet $125 here and re-evaluate turn depending on the players who call. e.g. if I get calls all round, I'm not shoving if another 9 hits.
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06-06-2016 , 09:05 AM
Given your objective - I wonder how bad it would be to just raise enough pre to get him AI? The trouble with the 50 bet is that, if it succeeds in getting tilting shortie in - it almost certainly will bring in the rest of the gang. And I'd much prefer HU with TT.

AP, you got a great flop (barring hidden sets). I like a bet of 100 - 125, then a push on a non-heart, none A (if you have any callers)
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06-07-2016 , 05:39 AM
Well, I shoved and got stacked to V3's 93. Cooler or bad play? I'm confused.
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06-07-2016 , 06:52 AM
Explain why you would shove over betting half pot.
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06-07-2016 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 6betfold
Well, I shoved and got stacked to V3's 93. Cooler or bad play? I'm confused.
That's painful. Obv you couldn't read him for that... no one could... but certainly 33 or 22 were in the range of each of the opponents.... and you just made it too easy for them to felt you with an single pair. A half-pot bet would be better... he'd likely push and then at least you'd have a fighting chance to get away from it.
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06-07-2016 , 02:08 PM
$70 flop, shove favorable turns.
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06-07-2016 , 04:07 PM
Your $50 pf raise (assuming utg calls, which he did) means the other two are paying $38 into a $126 pot & $38 into a $164 pot respectively. You gave at least one of them (V3) a very easy decision to call, therefore I think the $50 bet was an incorrect decision - especially out of position, and that decision allowed V3 to be in the pot. It sounds to me like a common mistake I've made where I have my focus on isolating one player and in so doing I neglect to consider whether I'll be pricing in other players and therefore working against myself. In this hand I would have called the $12, and tried to read the players post-flop.
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06-07-2016 , 04:17 PM
A little bit small preflop. Definitely betting flop and gii pretty much always on river assuming my turn bet was big enough.
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06-07-2016 , 07:27 PM
tempted to check to utg
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06-07-2016 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cassurai
Explain why you would shove over betting half pot.

With $200 in the pot already and an SPR of 1.5:1, I was going nowhere with an OP. Didn't want FDs to call a 1/2 PSB and be clueless when flush came in, so might as well shoved myself. It would suck to bet/fold $100 if someone semi bluff shoved with a FD to make me fold an OP.
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06-08-2016 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 6betfold
It would suck to bet/fold $100 if someone semi bluff shoved with a FD to make me fold an OP.
So why not bet-CALL $100 if someone is going to semi-bluff shove with a FD? You said yourself you're going nowhere, so why are you bet-folding? You seem confused in your line of thinking.

If they just call your $100 and a flush comes, just check. It's not the end of the world. A lot of hands that call your flop cbet will check behind, such as top pair, or 88 with a heart. Against good players, balance this by checking your flushes as well. And besides, a flopped FD only makes a flush on the turn <20% of the time.

Shoving $325 into $200 here is basically folding out all worse hands (such as top pair weak kicker and FDs) and only hands that beat you (such as 93) will call.
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06-08-2016 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cassurai
So why not bet-CALL $100 if someone is going to semi-bluff shove with a FD? You said yourself you're going nowhere, so why are you bet-folding? You seem confused in your line of thinking.
I was just saying it's a SMALL possibility, although most of the time, 1/2 players will always have me crushed when they shove over my $100 cbet here. Which is why I think I should have bet/folded like $75-100 in this hand.
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