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1-2 TT in Sb, flop top set, extracting max value 1-2 TT in Sb, flop top set, extracting max value

04-09-2013 , 06:39 AM
Hero: Is down -1.5 buyins, table views me as a tight player but isn't getting much respects on raises because I have been losing pots all night. Play has sort of became tilty and trying to get unstuck quickly. Has gotten flopped nut flush lose to boat, overpair v flush, overpair v runner runner str8, tp get flushed. Stack: $174

Villain: covers, loose-passive. Has called hero down two streets and shown a 6 on a J9469 board limped pot.

2 limps
Villain limps
SB limps
Hero has TsTh in bb raises $17
Villain calls, everyone folds

Flop: $36 T86r
Hero checks
Villain bets $20

Hero wants to play for stacks with the way he has been running. Do we take a bet 3 streets line 30/50/77 or check back the flop hopin he bets and we c/r to 60 and ship turn?
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04-09-2013 , 06:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPDynasty
Villain: covers, loose-passive.
Hopefully that answers your question
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04-09-2013 , 06:50 AM
not leading this flop as the preflop raiser is barf

you're not going to get stacks in waiting for vil to bet, and seizing the lead after you check flop looks so strong no matter how you do it

bet/bet/bet large enough to jam river and let vil level himself into thinking you're bluffing
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04-09-2013 , 07:21 AM
Yeah, when I usually post, I figure where I went wrong but it's good to reevaluate how simple of a hand this could've been but with the way cards were running out, I was in a tilted state of mind.
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04-09-2013 , 11:14 AM
Hero:

[x] raises pre
[x] checks flop when they hit big to a passive player who probably checks behind an absurd % of the time

Something's wrong with this picture...

Seriously you have to just lead the flop. That can hit him sometimes, too. As played when a passive player actually bets, and you have top set, it's time to raise and play for stacks.
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04-09-2013 , 11:47 AM
you want to get it in vs a loose opponent and...check? doesn't add up.

with a crappy image i'm fine just completing with TTs from the bb since your oop and under a 100bb stack. really depends on the table
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04-09-2013 , 12:05 PM
I could go either way preflop. At 86bbs we're not playing deep, but we're not playing exactly short either. If we were short, I think preflop is clear raise (short means playing fast); and if we were super deep we could raise as a juicer with an equity advantage. But playing this stack, meh, whatever. I'd often just see a flop here, especially if there are tricky players in the hand. But our raise got things HU, so that's good too.

Nice flop. I'd just bet/bet/bet. I actually really hate the flop check because if the flop checks thru then it won't be possible to play for stacks on the river without overshoving. While there's a few cards that could slow down action a bit, I'd probably just bet enough on each street in order to easily play for stacks by the river. Something like $20 on the flop, which creates a $76 pot with $137 left on the turn. Then $40 on the turn which creates a $156 pot with an easy $97 left to shove river. Or something like that.

I don't like a check/raise plan because it possibly allows flop to check thru (where it will be difficult to play for stacks), plus enables villains to easily fold weakish hands (is Villain thinking tighty us is check/raising as a bluff?) whereas these hands might trick themselves into calling down if no A/K comes.

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