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Old 12-22-2018, 10:16 AM   #1
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1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

$500 max game. Table is fairly deep with several players over $400 and a few around $1k. Hero stack about $400 in this hand.

Reads on some of the players involved here:
UTG - Weak tight. Has opened 2 hands preflop in 90mins or so. $250
UTG1 - Unknown new player. Young 20's. Hoodie, headphones, sunglasses. Appears to be taking this very seriously lol. $400
MP- Fish drinking hard liquor looks buzzed AF. Already donated $150 in short order and reloaded another $150. Seems to have little to no clue how to play and is just here to gamble.
CO- Old man in 60's. About $1k stack was running very hot earlier. Applies pressure post flop decently. Overall tight but can be a little tilty/spastic.

Action:
UTG opens $10
UTG1 flats $10
MP flats $10
MP1 flats $10 (irrelevant to this hand)
CO 3bets to $22 (lol sizing bro)
Hero in BB flats the $22 with TT
Everyone calls.

Six ways to a flop of:
873
Pot ~$120

All check to MP fish who jams all in for $120.
MP1 folds
CO sigh folds
Hero tanks and sigh calls (thoughts later)
UTG folds
UTG1 takes 30secs or so and jams $375 total.
Hero?

Pre-flop I'm a little worried about old man in CO. I think this was the first time he 3bet. Despite the lol sizing I think he can still have JJ+ and AK. I also have the UTG player behind who should have a tight range. I think flat is best. Table is pretty passive so it looks like a good spot to set mine.

OTF checking since I didn't hit my set and i'm concerned still about CO's hand. Planned on calling a reasonable sized bet and folding turns if he doubles. Now with this action, the fish can have nearly anything based on my reads and experience with player type. All 8x and probably some 7x, straight draws, flush draws, sets, overpairs. I think I have his range smashed?

Now when UTG1 jams he's saying he has a set(88,77,33), maybe two pair (78s). I think he will have all big FDs and combo draws as well. AKhh-AThh, KQhh, JThh, T9hh, 98hh, and maybe others HH combos. I tanked for a bit and he was breathing quite heavy, looked pretty stiff and ready to crap his pants. I think the player type is important here (young 20's with the serious grinder look).

Thoughts everywhere? Reshove flop to iso the fish? Call off the sunglasses grinder as played? Fold pre lol?

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Old 12-22-2018, 12:32 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

Adding to this...

The MP fish can be much wider. I wouldn't be shocked to even see 3x or something like 44, 55 and worse. Quite sure I have his range crushed.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:54 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

You're getting a little better than 2 to 1 so it looks like we may have to stack off here even though it looks like a crappy spot. UTG1 should have a decent amount of hearts in his range and there is little he can do if he calls and no heart hits the turn.

The problem with flatting the jam is that SPR ends up being really low on the turn too, and the turn brings a lot of over cards or hearts, so you put yourself in a tough spot OOP to continue.

Is 98hh or JThh in his UTG+1 calling range vs. UTG? Im not sure, very well could be. There are 9 combos of 77, 88 and 33? If we assume AKhh flats, which would be kind of awkward given the fact he could have 4 bet PF, then you have 7 combos of the hearts you mentioned. I don't think you will make a huge mistake folding or calling here, I would probably call it off AP but it would be very live read dependent. It seems like raising or folding the jam is probably a better play.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:57 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
15,840 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 873
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
TdTc27.11% 4,27245
9hTh,AhKh,77,88,33,AhTh,AhQh,AhJh,KhQh,JhTh72.89% 11,52345

Ran the equities. Looks like this is actually a fold given these ranges.
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Old 12-22-2018, 03:26 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

Id shove over the 120 shove. Don't see the point in flatting.
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Old 12-22-2018, 03:55 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

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Now when UTG1 jams he's saying he has a set(88,77,33), maybe two pair (78s). I think he will have all big FDs and combo draws as well. AKhh-AThh, KQhh, JThh, T9hh, 98hh, and maybe others HH combos. I tanked for a bit and he was breathing quite heavy, looked pretty stiff and ready to crap his pants. I think the player type is important here (young 20's with the serious grinder look).
Do young, serious grinders/posers flat from EP with suited connectors?
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Old 12-22-2018, 03:59 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

I’m ok with flatting the shove (probably unpopular decision), reshoving is pretty gross if we get called and I think flatting actually looks stronger. In a vacuum, I think this is a fold, we’re either flipping or crushed, and we don’t block any of the monster draws. The only thing that makes me consider calling is your live read on UTG+1.
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:32 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

this is a set a lot
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:30 AM   #9
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

Seems like a fold pre, UTG has raised two hands in past 90 minutes, if he’s even decently positionally aware his utg raising is pretty tight and he will 4b here a good amount with QQ+, AK and possiby as light as JJ.

Otf vs the reshove im quickly getting out of the way. Also probably just folding vs the shove 6-way, people are still left behind to act and they’re uncapped and even if you do end up being the only caller you are either behind or have to fade many many outs
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:09 AM   #10
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Seems like a fold pre, UTG has raised two hands in past 90 minutes, if he’s even decently positionally aware his utg raising is pretty tight and he will 4b here a good amount with QQ+, AK and possiby as light as JJ.

Otf vs the reshove im quickly getting out of the way. Also probably just folding vs the shove 6-way, people are still left behind to act and they’re uncapped and even if you do end up being the only caller you are either behind or have to fade many many outs

Stacks are deep, why not set mine?
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:27 AM   #11
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

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Stacks are deep, why not set mine?
My thoughts exactly. Table was pretty passive as well so I was fully expecting a cascade of calls for $12 more. If he had made it $30 (still too small) I woulda gladly pitched it. TT is too strong to fold for $22 when it's so likely to go 6 ways imo.

That said I don't mind folding pre. That's really tight, which is often correct to beat these games.
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:29 AM   #12
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Do young, serious grinders/posers flat from EP with suited connectors?
Yes. They will often overplay SCs because they aren't that experienced and have big egos.
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Old 12-23-2018, 12:26 PM   #13
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Id shove over the 120 shove. Don't see the point in flatting.
Awful trolling as usual.

Just fold to the first jam. Your plan was to set mine and you bricked.
Plus what Minatorr already said.
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Old 12-23-2018, 01:17 PM   #14
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Awful trolling as usual.

Just fold to the first jam. Your plan was to set mine and you bricked.
Plus what Minatorr already said.
Imagine folding an overpair to a drunk fish.
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Old 12-24-2018, 03:57 AM   #15
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Re: 1/2 TT in multiway 3bet pot

I'd just fold to the reshove. Yes, it sucks to fold and it could be a heart draw but even then our equity against a hand like AhJh isn't good.

You're either ~flipping or drawing to ~two outs. It's not worth it.
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Old 12-24-2018, 01:09 PM   #16
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Id shove over the 120 shove. Don't see the point in flatting.
now there's a shock you propose GII

LOL



your plan was to set mine, you missed c/f flop
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