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1/2 - TT getting outplayed ? 1/2 - TT getting outplayed ?

06-13-2014 , 02:45 AM
Hero - young asian hugo boss jacket player bought in for $200 , lost it, bought back in for $200 and ran it back up to $300 atm.

Villain - 26 year old regular asian dude running good / winng image stack is at $700, we have history, but shouldn't affect too much and i guess we kinda know each other in a way we would talk to each other on the tables.

Hero took villains $80 with QQ half an hr ago and villain has stated he will get it back from me indirectly.

Villain in MP limps, folds to hero in LP raises to 12 with TT,
rest fold, villain calls.

Flop:

9 7 3

Villain checks, Hero bets $20, villain raises to $60, hero tanks and calls

Turn:

9:

Villain bets 200, hero tanks and folds... ?

Afterwards , he said he was just bluffing to the guy beside him or blahblah, should i have just reshoved on him?
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06-13-2014 , 03:07 AM
Flop is a fold or a call depending on how villain plays. Turn is a fold. The fact that he said he was bluffing probably means he had a boat.
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06-13-2014 , 03:11 AM
Boat or quads he has a monster. He check raises...at worst a set.
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06-14-2014 , 10:49 PM
Why flat the 3bet when a fantastic card comes off OTT and you're still folding?

Like, would you GII if 2h comes?
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06-14-2014 , 11:30 PM
9 is not a fantastic card. We can no longer beat top pair which we should expect makes up a decent part of his flop raising range.

Also, calling the flop raise and then folding to a blank turn (ie 2h) can be the correct play.
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06-14-2014 , 11:38 PM
The board is bone dry on the flop which makes his check raise pretty polarized, and when he essentially open ships the turn on a card that should do nothing but strengthen his flop check raising range that was ahead of you, I'm not folding.
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06-14-2014 , 11:49 PM
His bet size on the turn is strangely large as if he is trying to get a fold.
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06-14-2014 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by clampoker
The board is bone dry on the flop which makes his check raise pretty polarized, and when he essentially open ships the turn on a card that should do nothing but strengthen his flop check raising range that was ahead of you, I'm not folding.
+1

Outplayed
No way that I'm folding, and I'm high fiving the dealer. Snap call all day everyday against this villian.
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06-15-2014 , 02:02 AM
You probably should have called. I do see a lot of bluffs in his range.
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06-15-2014 , 06:14 AM
OP - can you divulge further on the history. If not, then flatting flop and folding turn is fine, 9 is a bad card. Lots of villains check/raise top pair in 1/2 (because they're bad) but then again - information would help.
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06-15-2014 , 10:02 AM
Sizing screams please don't call me.

So, I think that I'd call.

But sometimes he will have a 9, and when he does, reload.
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06-15-2014 , 02:03 PM
I usually call in this spot... But due to stacks remaining just shove.
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06-15-2014 , 05:19 PM
Not much history with him, my QQ hand against him, he didn't check raise me, he just folded, but this hand, he c/r , bet big on turn, i totally just now remember the 3 on the flop was a , because I looked at my T and was like I have a blocker to the flush draw if he is on one when I was facing the $200 bet wit only $250 behind, in the end I decided to pussy out and conserve my stack. He's generally a TAG and loves to play K8, his favourite hand apparently. Some other player commented how he likes slow playing alot as well.

I was thinking along the lines of him trapping me wit QQ or JJ , or a set of 3 or 7 or A9 ... maybe I shoulda called and kept him honest wit that $250 behind, and if I lost, I woulda just told him to buy the fat chicks behind him a nice dinner. O well.
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06-15-2014 , 05:59 PM
He's repping close to nothing on the flop. Turn sucks a little but would expect him to c/c TP on the flop most of the time instead of c/r. Not folding against a young Asian repping a narrow range with a line that doesn't make sense.
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06-15-2014 , 06:36 PM
Without more detail about his style of play it's tough to say for sure but I think shoving the turn is the right play. It seems less likely he would play any big hand this way. I would think he'd bet smaller to keep you in as your hand looks like an overpair. I don't think he'd check raise a 9, or a set on such a dry flop. If he does in fact have a 9 or a set I don't think he'd over bet the turn because he now either has trips or a boat which crushes your pair. Based on his sizing I thinks it's more likely he has a straight draw (T8, 86 or 65).
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06-15-2014 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kenshi3
Not much history with him, my QQ hand against him, he didn't check raise me, he just folded, but this hand, he c/r , bet big on turn, i totally just now remember the 3 on the flop was a , because I looked at my T and was like I have a blocker to the flush draw if he is on one when I was facing the $200 bet wit only $250 behind, in the end I decided to pussy out and conserve my stack. He's generally a TAG and loves to play K8, his favourite hand apparently. Some other player commented how he likes slow playing alot as well.

I was thinking along the lines of him trapping me wit QQ or JJ , or a set of 3 or 7 or A9 ... maybe I shoulda called and kept him honest wit that $250 behind, and if I lost, I woulda just told him to buy the fat chicks behind him a nice dinner. O well.
I didn't see this until after I posted but the fact that there's a flush draw on the flop makes it even more likely he's bluffing.
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06-15-2014 , 07:01 PM
Yeah his c/r on the dry flop and bet size on the turn and tendency to slowplay pretty much eliminates boats from his range and the flop c/r makes trips unlikely but possible. Wouldn't be surprised if his range here is all semi bluffs and no value hands.
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