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Old 06-01-2014, 03:58 PM   #1
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1/2 TT facing unusual bets

Hero - $500 stack young Asian tight hoodie winning image.

Villain - $150 stack on his 3rd buy in. 50 yr old Asian guy. Up to this hand, his VPIP is probably around 40. So quite loose.

Villain in EP raises to $25 ( strange sizing he never this before ) I call on CO maybe I should have put him all in? But there were people to act still so I just called didn't want to risk a reraise. SB calls as well

Flop comes

K 7 5 R

SB checks, villain bets 40, hero folded here because scared of a King or a higher pair. Should I have peeled and reevaluate here or shove?
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:04 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

it depends
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:21 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

Nothing wrong with a fold preflop.

Before you call preflop, ask yourself the question, "How am I going to get this guy's stack in this hand?" If the answer is "By flopping a set", you have to fold because you're getting the wrong price. And facing this action, the answer isn't going to be "By calling multiple barrels postflop and bluff catching".
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:24 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

Without having any information on how often he opens and what his normal open size is I'm just letting this go. He is opening to 1/6 of his stack. His flop bet is pretty weak but once again, with no information on his previous bet tendencies we have nothing to go off of here.
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:26 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

You say villain's VPIP was around 40. What was his PFR? Was villain raising most of his hands, or was he limping a lot? If villain was raising a lot preflop I wouldn't mind 3betting preflop with the intention of calling a shove, especially with this stack size.
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:26 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

The big bet probably means what it looks like a big hand, just fold it pre without any further info.
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:09 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

Yes, fold pre too expensive as all you are doing here is set mining.
$15 or less I call.
1/2 people bet face up meaning big bets big hands small bets small hands.
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:55 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

Shove or fold because he's this shallow. He's probably not open raising to 25/folding. But all of the unpaired broadway cards and higher pairs means you're at best flipping. Maybe 88-99 some of the time but those don't outweigh that you're a tiny favorite even against QJo. I'd fold pre.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:42 AM   #9
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

If this is his first and only 'big' raise pre-flop after you've been at the table for a significant amount of time, I'd be inclined to fold pre as well.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:12 AM   #10
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Re: 1/2 TT facing unusual bets

easy fold
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:05 PM   #11
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Seems like a fold pf as we're likely behind villain's range and we aren't getting the right price to set mine.

As played, I actually don't mind turning our hand into a bluff on the flop if two conditions are met: Flop sizing from villain matches prior history of weakness. Sb seems disinterested in the hand.

We'd be risking $125 at the most to win $115 and if we get called we should still have 8% equity. This looks a lot like JJ/QQ to me. Our bluff also prevents us from folding the best hand when villain takes this line with a hand such as AQ or 99.
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