Played this hand a few days ago, I think all of my decisions in this hand are questionable.


V1 (co) is supposedly a 2/5 player based on the convo he's having wiht neighbors. Since he sat down about 1.5-2 hours ago, he's been playing maybe the tightest pre-flop at the table. Open/iso'd 2-3 times and have seen him cbet and give up once on the turn, cbet and take out down other 1-2 times. Has about $250

V2 (bb) sat down about and hour ago as well, hasn' been out of line based on any show down hands, seems like he could be a thinking player (Young Asian, behaving as if he's played before given how he's handling chips, bet sizing etc). has $300


H (bu) has been playing pretty Taggy, hasn't been out of line especially since both V's been at the table. Cover both.


utg limps, fodls to v1 who makes it 10, H on bu call, sb fold v2 in bb call, utg call. How big of a consideration is a 3b here given v1 description?

f(40): K52
x, x, v1 cbet 20, H thinks TT are kinda too good to fold right this second, elects to call knowing there are two players behind, so folding to any raise here, bb call, utg fold.


The relative value of my hand here isn't that high, I agree since V1 can be cbetting JJ/QQ in addition to Kx, KK, AA. But, I thought V1 cbets flops with similar textures frequently and often gives up on later streets with range I am beating (AQ, AJ, 99-88, broadway draws). In addition, if bb or utg x/r I can get away easily. Not sure if my flop thought process is correct here, would love some comments.

T(100) J x, x, H does not like this card and don't think I can fold out both Vs enough to make a profitable bet. If the turn was a 9 or below that's not a I would've bet.

R(100): 2
bb leads for 65, bu folds, H tank call.


I think BB's range is polarized here often to a Kx or missed draw. I don't think he bets Jx on the river if he backed into it on the turn, if he did I think his sizing would be a little smaller than 2/3rd. I think he x/r all two pairs on the flop if he had any (K5, 52 maybe), x/r sets (55, 22). That leaves him with Kx and missed draws?


Thoughts on the entire hand is appreciated.

Combination wise there are way more Kx combos than missed flush draws. And if villain is checking two streets with a flush draw is he really gonna suddenly bluff the river into two players. I feel like bb has all the kings besides AK while he only has some flush draws. AP fold river

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I would fold the river after he lead out into two players - he knows everyone can easily have AK but he still confidently lead out (we don't even have a king). Once the BB called the cbet I'm pretty much done with the hand (not worth the psychological leveling wars with your mind thinking everyone could have missed a flush and are bluffing, esp if we have zero info on them).

3b or call pre - flop call is just meh and prob a fold 4-handed. You're obviously just hoping that you get to showdown in a checked down turn and river, but that seems so unlikely.
AP fold. You can' t get stuck hero calling $65 in this game especially in a spot like this where you are facing a reasonably wide value betting range.

seems like the concensus is towards a fold, and I think this trend of answers will continue.

H called and was good vs 65dd, but afterwards I thought my line wasn't great and more often bb has Kx than missed draws.

I think 4b pre is slightly better than calling, flop is likely a fold given that I have 2 players behind and v1 is showing alot of strength cbetting 4 handed even when first 2 players are playing in flow and checking.

TT is a good 3! hand here, and am almost always 3-betting it against someone who opens a wider than nit range.

Some people don't turn down their c-bet frequencies in multiway pots, but 4 ways here with middle pair no draw and 2 more people still to act, I can find my way out.

Turn check is good. There's no reason to bluff here. I also don't like betting TT here ever. You don't get called by enough worse, and I don't think equity denial is enough of a factor. There is just too much Kx out there.

On the river, I'm out. Yeah, his bet is polarizing, but that doesn't mean we just call with every bluff catcher. Generally LLSNL players underbluff, so bluffcatching is just throwing money away. Although pots that went c-bet/call flop, x/x/x turn do seem to generate a lot of bluffs. If you really want a GTO calling range, I guess you could try and construct one here that has some blocker potential, like not having diamonds. I expect TT, especially with the T really doesn't fit in this range.

Pre: this is a pretty Standard 3bet here for me. CO vs BTN you should be 3betting a bunch vs anyone who is positionally aware, like 12-15% and TT easily falls into that.

AP:
Flop: unless villain is a complete psycho or just cluelessly cbets 100%, i just fold here. We are beat often, their are 2 players behind us and even if we are ahead, the equity we are pushing is marginal.

Turn: looks good.

River: yeah i still like a fold, villain is gonna potcontrol turn often with Kx, and often barrel with diamonds. Having said that, it cant be that terrible to call.

3-bet iso preflop seems mandatory here almost regardless of villain (maybe the tight-wadiest of people you could make a case for flatting).

As played preflop, probably just fold flop. I suppose the float isn't the worst, although the problem is you're multiway.

As played flop, turn and river are OK. Fold is probably better on the river. You'll have hands like AJ and KQ and such to call with.

Thanks for all the replies so far. As I thought after playing the hand, I think I got lucky in this instance to be good at sd.

It seems like most people are leaning 3b pre, fold to cbet and fold to river bet as well?


What's our cut off range for a 3b? Are we floating 88-99 as well or does that depend on how wide v1 opens? AQ is also a 3b? What about AJ and AT?

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