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07-03-2015 , 10:00 PM
$1/2 friday night casino

Just 1 hr at the table.. Hero should have aggro image post flop. Check raised 3x bet to a button raise on a good turn card and then check folded river. cbets mostly if pf aggessor.. check shoved when river paired and villain folded and nobody saw my cards. 1 reg (spot) at the table and he know hero is bumhunting him and so have tighten up in all positions.

V1 ~100 : have played with him once like 6 months back. have some reads on him but irrelevant in this hand. decent player .. try to induce bluff by leading small with twopair +

V2 (main villain) ~ 225: passive pf but aggro post flop. tries to steal alot. he don't have much clue but puts pressure. just 1 orbit before hero, tank hero called 2/3 PSB on the river with J9s on J87(two hearts) A Q runout after being the PF raiser and cbet, x/x, x/c on the river and villain was not happy. After that he didn't play any hand with hero.

V3(reg) ~ 300: irrelevant in this hand

hero is bb and covers the table. V1 in mp, V2 in co and V3 bu

V1,V2,V3 limps, sb folds and hero checks with A 5

Flop J 10 4

hero bets $5 V1 fold, V2 raises to $15, V3 folds.. hero tank calls........ thoughts???????

turn 10 hero checks ...... thoughts??... Villain bets $25... hero??
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07-04-2015 , 12:34 AM
grunch: fold

unless you're pretty sure that, if the flush comes, villain would either stab at it or pay you off if you lead out. but i think your hand is pretty face up if you just call and i'm not a fan of semibluffing here where you could very well get called.. and you're turning a small loss into a potential big loss. if you were in position, i may call. out of position i think i let this go.

i think play is fine up to this point. obviously checking bb isn't bad. calling a $10 raise on a $29 pot is fine too i think (but honestly i wouldn't be opposed to just folding there either). $5 stab is ok too if you think that has a chance of taking down a pot or if you think it might work as a blocker bet (table dependent).
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07-04-2015 , 01:08 AM
Your probably getting paid if the flush or an ace comes but your odds have just cut in half. The question really is if the flush comes, do you have a good chance of winning his entire stack?


If you do, then take the shot.

If your plan is to call and bet $50 when you hit, fold.
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07-04-2015 , 11:46 AM
Is there a chance we are still ahead?.. two times with tp he checked when hero was in the pot (hu & 3 on the flop). Good chance he is playing his draws aggressive here..

anyone like a check raise on the turn ??

Spoiler:
hero x/f
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07-04-2015 , 11:57 AM
Fold turn. Possibly fold flop.
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07-04-2015 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by progress
Fold turn. Possibly fold flop.
Stop
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07-04-2015 , 12:46 PM
I think we're still ahead of described villain here enough of the time to peel. I think there's an argument for 3betting on the flop. Not on the turn.
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07-04-2015 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by THOFF
I think we're still ahead of described villain here enough of the time to peel. I think there's an argument for 3betting on the flop. Not on the turn.
with any equity villain is calling flop 3bet making a bloated pot oop. OTT, with one more card to come, x/r should force only stronger range to continue.
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07-04-2015 , 03:45 PM
I would bet full pot otf. Call raise otd, check and probably peel turn. Getting 2.1 to one and w 185 behind. We might still be ahead of a diamond+straight combo draw, huge implied odds still in this case. Besides that the ace is still often live.


Turn check is fine. If our hand is good we want him to keep bluffing usually. If it isn't good we find very few folds by leading imo.
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07-04-2015 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bpep
with any equity villain is calling flop 3bet making a bloated pot oop. OTT, with one more card to come, x/r should force only stronger range to continue.
Yeah I didn't think too much about the flop 3 bet here just because I do it so seldom these days on a draw.

It's OK sometimes. If the Vil is generally passive post we should probably just flat as this raise is geared toward JT and sets. Against a more active player I'd be pretty ok w a 3 bet and never fold here because the limp should take out a lot of his strong hands and weigh his range even more heavily to draws that we dominate on this draw heavy of draw heavy boards
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07-04-2015 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bpep
with any equity villain is calling flop 3bet making a bloated pot oop. OTT, with one more card to come, x/r should force only stronger range to continue.
What about Kx Q9 Q8 98 97dd? Or even just something like KQ off? Pretty sweet hands to have continuing w us on this board.

OTT I agree completely. Pretty narrow chance of x/r getting a fold unless our hand was actually good to begin w and we go to 0‰equity if he 3 bets or is full.
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07-04-2015 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bpep
Is there a chance we are still ahead?.. two times with tp he checked when hero was in the pot (hu & 3 on the flop).
Yes, there's a chance. That's the problem with playing draws semi-aggressively out-of-position. I just hate bet/calling with bluffs.

Usually you don't get folds on wet boards, and you don't get any information. Often you just end up burning your own equity.
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