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1/2 Trips+NFD in multiway pot 1/2 Trips+NFD in multiway pot

02-28-2015 , 09:58 AM
Haven't played live in quite a long time so not sure if this is a standard fold or call and reeval situation;

$1/$2, max/min BI: $200/$80, 10%rake capped at $10, $5/hr timecharge (***** highway robbery, why I hate live playing options in sydney anyone living here who knows other legal private games please let me know). Hero arrives at table around 4pm on a tuesday, not too busy. Table is standard loose/passive. People stacking off in 'coolers' (imo pretty light, but I think in live hand values go up) mostly and not too much weird/unorthodox play.

Hero ($320): 22, asian male. Probably has tight/passive image. PFR probably around 10% (20h/hr means sample is pretty small). Limped a few hands. Taken pretty passive lines when missed due to multiway nature of flops. Shown down TPGK type hands against villains who had worse kickers. No history with villains.

V1 (slightly <$200): rebought fullstacked after recently getting stacked AIPF with his QQ running into KK of V2. He 3b-shoved pre.

V2 ($500ish): weird player. He has different pre-flop sizes and from what I've seen he seems to have $17 opens for 'premiums' (AQo+, TT+) and $12 for the rest of his PFR range (if i had to guess: ATo/AJo, 22+, T6s+). Leads me to believe he is a weak, level 1 type player. I also assume he plays pretty straightforward post.

Hand:10-handed, V1 limps UTG, V2 limps UTG+1, 1 fold, Hero limps in MP with AT, btn limps and blinds complete:

Flop ($12): AQ3

Checks to Hero who bets $10. Folds to V1 who calls, V2 calls.

Turn ($42): A

V1 bets $20. V2 raises to $40 pretty fast. Hero has $302 behind with pot at $102. Hero??
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02-28-2015 , 10:13 AM
I'm pretty happy getting it in here. You've seen plenty of raises already from V2 so I would assume AK/AQ would have raised pre. Of the Ax left, we beat A9/8/7/6/5/4/2 and lose to AJ/3 and 33 And we have flush + boat outs vs AJ, and boat outs vs A3/33.

So I'm raising the biggest I think V2 will call.
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02-28-2015 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
I'm pretty happy getting it in here. You've seen plenty of raises already from V2 so I would assume AK/AQ would have raised pre. Of the Ax left, we beat A9/8/7/6/5/4/2 and lose to AJ/3 and 33 And we have flush + boat outs vs AJ, and boat outs vs A3/33.

So I'm raising the biggest I think V2 will call.
Is it wrong to think V2 ever has air/weak draws here? V1 leading turn makes it more interesting, what are people's thoughts on his range for leading? Could there be a dynamic between V1 and V2 because of previous hand where V2 stacked V1? If either has weak draws/air or worse Ax is it possibly more profitable to try to keep it MW as there aren't many bad rivers for us if we're ahead or pot-controlling when we're behind?
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02-28-2015 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by idonkrivers
Is it wrong to think V2 ever has air/weak draws here? V1 leading turn makes it more interesting, what are people's thoughts on his range for leading? Could there be a dynamic between V1 and V2 because of previous hand where V2 stacked V1? If either has weak draws/air or worse Ax is it possibly more profitable to try to keep it MW as there aren't many bad rivers for us if we're ahead or pot-controlling when we're behind?
the combos show we're way ahead on the whole, I think pot controlling for the 20% of the time we're behind is throwing money away.

Also not worrying about making more money from draws/air. Small Stakes players can't fold trip aces - they forget about their kickers and stick the money in. I think that's much more likely, and I want that money.
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02-28-2015 , 12:03 PM
I'm more concerned about v1.

I have to assume no one has AK, 33, QQ, AQ based on what I have seen.

Could we be against AJ, A3? To me those are the hands we worry about.

I think AJ is possible from V1.

I can't fold for $40 but I may fold to a decent river bet. I'm also not getting on river if checked to me.
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02-28-2015 , 01:12 PM
GII and raise preflop.
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02-28-2015 , 01:25 PM
Don't really like the limp pre. I would have raised. I'm torn between stringing them along and just value raising. I agree that it's hard for people to fold trip As. I probably make it $100 - $120 to get a little more in and not let them fold. Re-evaluate river, but I highly doubt I'm folding. Not folding on the turn, either.
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02-28-2015 , 06:15 PM
To those saying raise pre i should add that i would need to make it >$15 to make it at least 3-way to the flop and even then the blinds may come along.
By cold 3-betting this turn i felt at the time that we would be isolating ourselves against a nutted range. Either way by cold-calling or raising villains should act quite transparently on the river as we should be perceived as having at least Ax. Given that, could we call a large bet otr unimproved (if we called) or make a vb if checked to (if we raised or called).
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02-28-2015 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by idonkrivers
By cold 3-betting this turn i felt at the time that we would be isolating ourselves against a nutted range.
I disagree with this very much. People simply don't fold trip aces. Why would you check and give him the option of controlling the pot size on the river?
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03-01-2015 , 12:07 AM
This is a bad spot. You bet the flop, got called in two places, and then, top card paired and there was a bet and a raise to you. Neither opponent seems to fear your range. Your hand may be too good to fold but hitting your flush may cost you money as you may be drawing to only three outs. I would not be surprised if you were up against threes full AND a bigger ace. I'm not saying I fold here but I hate this spot and don't think this is a clear raise.
If you raise, what hands can two opponents have here worse than yours?
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03-02-2015 , 10:43 AM
I raised flop and on the river and was called on flop in two places and the all-in on the river:

V1 raises pre from out of position. I'm on button w/22.

Board As2c3cAdJh

Flop: V1 check, V2 bet $25, I raise to $75, two callers. Turn: check, check, I bet ~$125, V1 calls, V2 folds. River: V1 bets $150, I go all in for $250 on top and he calls with ATo.

People think trip Aces are the nuts. In this hand, no raise pre, so we should only be behind A3 and 33.
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