Table is extremely loose/passive. Hero just sat a few hands ago, and has played only one hand, raising a string of limpers, getting two callers and taking pot on flop with C-bet.

No read on villain, but he is the second large stack on table (other large stack seems to have chips just for intimidation. He is sitting behind over $1k, much of it in greens, which no one else at table has.)

Villain is BB with ~$500
Hero is Button with $230, holding A 5

4 limpers to Hero who overlimps, SB completes and Villain checks option.

Pot: $14
Flop Q 5 5

SB and Villain check, UTG bets $4 (lol?) and all fold to Hero. Hero raises to $15. SB folds, Villain flats, and UTG folds.

What is Villain's flatting range here? Is it time to put on the brakes, or are we happy with our top kicker?

Pot: $48
Turn: 8

Villain checks. Hero bets $40. Villain tanks, then raises to $120

Hero???

i shove, we can get it in v worse 5x hands here all day long.

Two hands beat us on the flop: QQ and Q5. Shove and expect to get calledby any 5. If he has 85 Q5 it's a cooler.

villain could show up with any two, most of which would include a 5 in his range here.

I guess he could have 8-5 or Q5, but he's raising QQ and 88 pre.

Not fist pumping but happily shoving. I raise here pre.

Thanks for the thoughts. I was actually Villain in this hand, and thought the 3-bet shove was a bit iffy, but you all support villain's move.

I agree that QQ is not in villain's range here, but turn raise with 5X, where X =/ Q or 8 seems unlikely. I expected hero to smooth cal with a 5, and fold a Q.

WAY BACK WEEEEEN

Deadfish is up for 27 hours and 3 cigars deep:

Kay, pre looks good. good hand multiway OOP, don't want to blow other Vs of crummier spades, can also draw better closing action and "make moves" if needed.

I think flop raise is good, can GII against worst 5. I expect flatting range is probably Qx and any 5x

OTT I think this is a really easy GII, he can have virtually any 5 and would probably play it accordingly. if he has Q5 its a cooler.

this all looks pretty good!

You could make a case that if you have success raising limpers and taking it down post and they call really wdie its not a bad idea to raise OTB pre.

at ~100bbs theres not A TON of value in trying to overflush someone, and with a hand like this you can flop alot of draws and barrel equity and can pot-control or take free cards. I could be happy with playing it this way too if the 2010 garick is comfortable in ranging and hand-reading and will not value-own self on A-hi boards

Did anyone at the table have their shirt tucked in? If so, x/r/f, ainec.

Also, lols at stacking off for > 100bb in a limped pot w/o the nutz.

Grunch: Interesting choice of way-back threads. I don't remember this hand at all. Will have to see who bumped it for my "revenge" bump."

I'm fine with pre.

Flop is fine. The $4 bet is basically a check, and though the board is dry I don't think the sizing is excessive. V's are just such unbelievers on paired boards. V's check flat from the BB is mostly rando 5s afraid of losing customers. He obv doesn't have QQ, as he checked his BB. Only hand that beats us is Q5.

Turn bet is good. V actually has something he likes, so bet big enough to get stacks in OTR. After the raise, always shoving. No 5x will ever fold and only Q5 and 85 beat us (maybe one combo of 88, but doubtful), and nothing other than trips/boats are likely in his range here.

Off to read the responses old and new...

OMG, a reverse HH! So bad. I'd lock this thread up these days.

I think "Hero" played it fine, and I'm embarrassed to think that " I expected hero to smooth cal with a 5, and fold a Q." This must have been early in my live experience when I still thought FE at 1/2 was a thing.

I still don't remember this hand, but I suspect that I had nothing and just didn't believe "hero" and thought I could get him off any hand that didn't have a 5.

<smh> so bad...

What's best play pre here? I can understand over limping. How bout a min raise as a blocker bet and build pot for implied odds? Or standard raise to iso?

blocker bet is probably bad here because we are button, there are only two players behind to act so the chance this pot goes limped to the flop is VERY high.

This is NO LIMIT, can make a pot big whenever ya want.

you can probably make a very good argument for ISO here.

Raise pre all day. We have position and a good hand. Let's get a nice pot going.

Multiple raise sizes pre are bad, so raise something normal.

Pot builders are not really +EV in the long run unless the table is particularly weak. Trying to juice the pot with ace-rag suited is just bad, you won't hit the flop nearly enough and the pot will be too big to steal profitably.

With ace-rag suited I'm fine either limping or raising in general. Which is better will depend on the table. If the table is deep and/or stationary then limping and hoping for a good flop is fine. If raising will get 1-2 callers and set you up for a flop c-bet to take it down a lot then raising is better. If the table is short and/or prone to aggression when raised then folding may be best.