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05-03-2013 , 07:10 PM

Number1Hater

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EP weak/tight($200) makes it $15 from early, 1 call, i($660ish) squeeze K

from SB to $50, EP weak/tight calls, and the 1 caller folds.

flop($118): J

i lead for $60, EP weak/tight calls.

turn($238): Q

hero? as gross as this sounds, is this a check/fold? not because of flushes, but exactly QQ and AJ?

1. is pre too loose? would u fold or call instead?

EP weak/tight- mid 50s, looks middle eastern. limps pre and is passive. i labled him as weak tight because of this hand i've seen him play a couple minutes earlier. he raised QQ pre, then cbet 743

. he then elected to check/call down on J

turn and 8

river. other villan showed KK lol.

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05-03-2013 , 07:46 PM

Bigpants

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 592

I'd bet fold this turn all day long. He could have a 6...a crappier K...a random pp that didn't believe you. A float like AQ, or a random ace. Just because a scare card hits doesn't mean I'm giving him JUST the nuts.

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05-03-2013 , 08:02 PM

Number1Hater

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Originally Posted by Bigpants

this guy isnt the type who's gunna be floating. seems like ur standard bad live player.

we're about $100 eff on turn, are u really bet/folding?

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05-03-2013 , 08:12 PM

Bigpants

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Bleh...My apologies for not looking at stack sizes.

Once you cover investing over 1/2 your stack are you really folding when you hit a jin flop? Maybe we should have bet the flop larger to make the turn an easier jam?

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05-03-2013 , 08:18 PM

schlik20

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Lol at bet folding. I would say check shove or shove a non heart riv if he chks behind. About 25% I will just shove turn tho with eff.

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05-03-2013 , 08:21 PM

schlik20

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Originally Posted by Bigpants

No I like the 60 lead. How is this sizing not an easy turn jam if that's how u want to play it. Looks fine to me

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05-03-2013 , 08:27 PM

Tuma

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30 on the flop is much better. Sqz is bad tho.

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05-03-2013 , 10:08 PM

bfrank

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I am not a fan of the three bet here. As played I'm getting the money in on the turn.

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05-04-2013 , 01:22 AM

Starpoker

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Once he calls the flop, You basically are committed here. The pot odds alone offer you over 3:1 on any shove, and between your odds of filling up and the odds of him NOT having a hand that beats you, you easily have that much equity.

Just shove turn.

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05-04-2013 , 04:19 AM

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Hand Shaker

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3b pre is over playing kjs. Just call. We want high implied odds with this type of hand, and if we raise, we lower that ratio. We're dominated by tons of combos of KQ, AK, AJ+. That's not to say we should fold, but we want a high return on investment. When we 3b to $50 and get called when dude has $150 behind that, well...if we hit,how can we get away?

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05-04-2013 , 04:53 AM

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mela

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Weak/tight guy raises from EP and you're squeezing with KJs? Sounds like a bad idea to me, either call or fold.

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05-04-2013 , 08:52 AM

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captfunk99

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Agreed no reason to 3 bet here as played ship turn.

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05-04-2013 , 11:39 AM

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wewa925

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I dont particularly like the 3bet pre. Youre oop and have a marginal holding versus the tight villain. Even a fold pre wouldnt be bad imo.

As played, I like an $80 flop bet. Id jam turn without much thinking.

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05-04-2013 , 11:54 AM

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wck117

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Sure 3b KJs to 25% of eff stacks, flop trips and check fold bc of exactly AJ and qq whatever that means. This is beyond trivial shove on the turn

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05-04-2013 , 12:04 PM

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brojaysimpson

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Originally Posted by schlik20

No I like the 60 lead. How is this sizing not an easy turn jam if that's how u want to play it. Looks fine to me

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It is an easy turn jam, It's just the Qh hits a lot of his range that calls otf. I think he is more weighted towards a pocket pair such as 99-AA. I would check jam the turn, call if he shoves.

As for preflop, you're 3-betting only as a bluff (you realize this, yes?) I'd prefer to do that with a hand like 78s then this because We would have a much better understanding if where we Stand on flops. Honestly I'd probably fold oop, I hate this hand oop, I think folding > raising > calling

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05-04-2013 , 12:28 PM

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Raidion

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You are playing with an spr of 1.5. If you can't shove with trips here, what do you really need? I would have bet bigger on the flop to get value and to make shoving on the turn an absolute no brainer. If you bet 75 OTF, the pot is 250, and he has a half pot size bet left.

I don't mind the 3 bet all that much as you are basically doing this to make him play fit or fold and then fold to your cbet on the flop and you do have blockers to some of the cards in his range (fewer combinations of AK, AJ, etc).

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