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1/2 Tricky turn spot against a station 1/2 Tricky turn spot against a station

12-12-2015 , 04:45 PM
Game started about 45 minutes ago.

Hero: Room regular 30s white guy. No headphones or sunglasses. So far, i've only had one playable hand which was a raise out of the SB with KK which I took down PF.

V: Late 30ish white woman. Haven't ever seen or played with her before. So far, she's been playing about 70% of her hands. Very few for raises. She constantly limp/calls and is stationy post flop. I saw her call an EP raise of $15 from the SB with 105 and suck out. As she was stacking chips she said "that's the absolute bottom of my range".

OTH

Folds to Hero ($300) in the cutoff who raises to $12 with 97. Fold to V in the SB ($320ish) who calls. BB Folds.

Pot: $26
Flop: Q75
V Check, Hero bets $20, V calls

Pot: $66
Turn: T
V Check, Hero bets $40, V calls

Pot: $145
River: 2
V Check, Hero Check

Any thoughts on how I played this? I think pre and flop are pretty standard, but i'm interested to hear if anyone thinks it's a fold pre.

Turn was a tricky spot for me as plenty of draws are in her range that I want to punish, but i also don't want to value own myself. I figure a Bet/Fold line might be my best option as I don't believe villain will c/r bluff and I can be done with the hand if she decides to take that line.

Thoughts on river check behind? Does anyone bet this river against this particular V?
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12-12-2015 , 06:26 PM
Line looks fine. Open is definitely fine. Turn could go either way. River is def a check back with SDV, imo.
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12-12-2015 , 06:41 PM
If you are betting to bluff V out of the pot, you are going to have to bomb it pretty hard.

Against these types of V's who are always going to pay you off with top pair type hands, you just have to have something. I am not betting that river against that V
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12-12-2015 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Line looks fine. Open is definitely fine. Turn could go either way. River is def a check back with SDV, imo.
+1. Line looks standard to me.
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12-12-2015 , 07:10 PM
Well played, sir. Good turn value bet. Nice sizing all around.

I guess you could consider tossing out $15 on the river for value (A-high, K-high, worse pairs, etc). But I think checking is maybe a touch better. This villain can have a huge # of random Qx combos (and those really add up) as well as better 7x, 88-JJ, etc. So I think the river just gets a bit too thin since most of villain's whiffed draws now fold.

I'm OK with 15 on the river for somewhat optimistic super thin value or a check back.

Nice hand.
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12-12-2015 , 07:11 PM
Played it exactly as I would. Though, Garick's post reminds me of something I'm working on which is toning down postflop aggression in marginal spots. Not that I'm certainly checking back here, but I feel as though I need to balance my bets and checks in these sorts of spots until I gain a better feel for how to handle these marginal spots IP against different villain types.
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12-12-2015 , 07:19 PM
If Villain is more aggressive and bluffy, is there merit to checking turn and calling river?
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12-12-2015 , 07:47 PM
Yes, imo. If going for 2 streets of value, I like checking turn and calling river. The turn check is more likely to induce a river bluff from these villains. I also think these villains are apt to slow play big made hands, so checking back turn takes the c/r out of their arsenal.
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12-12-2015 , 08:11 PM
I would consider betting 5 on the river but I think 15 is a little thin since K high and J high are probably folding. Against a very straightforward opponent you should make a babby bet on the river if it's +ev to bet turn because they'll pay at least 1 blind to see your hand and never c/r you as a bluff. I haven't looked at the math yet but if we take villain's word that T5s is the bottom of her range, we can pretty precisely calculate the ev of a turn bet.
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12-12-2015 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgalosk
Any thoughts on how I played this? I think pre and flop are pretty standard, but i'm interested to hear if anyone thinks it's a fold pre.

Turn was a tricky spot for me as plenty of draws are in her range that I want to punish, but i also don't want to value own myself. I figure a Bet/Fold line might be my best option as I don't believe villain will c/r bluff and I can be done with the hand if she decides to take that line.

Thoughts on river check behind? Does anyone bet this river against this particular V?
Great thought process. I do not think it's a fold pre. You should raise with suited one-gappers in LP when it's folded to you. The turn is tricky and I agree b/f is better than checking. I would absolutely check the river. I don't see anything worse calling.

Good hand. Good sizing.
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12-13-2015 , 11:20 AM
seems fine imo. something to consider: if she is REALLY stationy on turn then checking back may be a viable option
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12-13-2015 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePaint
seems fine imo. something to consider: if she is REALLY stationy on turn then checking back may be a viable option
Why?
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