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1/2 TPTK thin value shove vs TAG? 1/2 TPTK thin value shove vs TAG?

02-16-2015 , 09:29 PM
Villain (BB): mid 20s white man; TAG reg who has been casually talking strategy with his other TAG reg friend sitting beside him almost loud enough for me to use it against him ($550)
Hero (CO): mid 20s asian man; TAG reg ($300)

Two limpers to hero who makes it $14 in the CO with AK. Villain calls in the BB and one of the limpers calls.

Flop: K93 ($45)

Villain donks $30. Limper folds and hero calls.

Turn: 8 ($100)

Villain bets $60. Hero calls.

River: 3 ($220)

Villain checks. Having just under a PSB behind is there any way a TAG reg is gonna pay off a shove with worse? I haven't really seen villain donk too often so I'm assuming he's somewhat polarized. If he actually had the 4 combos that I really can be behind (99/33) he wouldn't really check the river and let me check back Kx. But I just can't figure out what worse hands he can pay me off with. I highly doubt he's bloating the pot two streets with a weaker Kx OOP.
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02-16-2015 , 09:43 PM
This is not a thin shove at all. Jam please. Get value from TT, KQ, and KJ.
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02-16-2015 , 09:47 PM
I think we can get called by KQ here, but I think more often than not villain is going to have some sort of combo draw ie. FD + gutter, or FD + pair. If he had A3ss I'd imagine that he'd bet, as that river is probably the best card he could see and get paid off with. If he missed a draw then he isn't calling anything, but I think it goes super under valued to not have to showdown a hand.
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02-16-2015 , 10:14 PM
I like the flat OTF but maybe pull the trigger and raise OTT?
As played, you've under repped your hand, you're way ahead of Vs range. Get value. I like the shove. V shows up with KQ a lot of the time and pays you off.
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02-16-2015 , 10:28 PM
bet the most that you think will be called by TPGK. I'm thinking something relatively small, around 60-80.
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02-16-2015 , 11:49 PM
You have to bet here, and really, any size bet and he's left holding your jock. I like the $80 bet myself.
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02-17-2015 , 01:31 AM
It's actually not that bad of a line to take with a value hand from V's perspective. Bet for value, bet for value, let a missed fd take a stab otr because he doesn't think worse will call 3 streets.

I'm checking back. Also, I don't see getting paid off by worse. Definitely no pp's, possibly KQ takes this line for value but I don't think will call a river shove. But sets/AA/AK are the main hands trying to induce otr.
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02-17-2015 , 01:36 AM
As played, bet river for value every time.

Don't like your flat on the flop. More often than not, bad players donking into pre flop raiser indicates weak made hands and draws. Why let this villain set his own price to hit flush draw or keep pot small with weaker king\ medium pairs by flatting?

Raise that donk bet to 70.

Assuming you get a call bet 110 on non spade turn if checked to, jam if he donks again.

If he check calls turn makes it easier to get it and called by worse on non spade rivers.

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02-17-2015 , 01:42 AM
Bet the river as played. I would raise the turn. The board is too texturey to just call.
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02-17-2015 , 03:57 AM
The only worse hand I see calling here is KQ. Checking back seems to be a good play here. You even said yourself that he's likely polarized here because he doesn't donk often. Check it back so you lose less from AA, 99, and 33 and win the same from his missed FDs.
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