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1/2 TPTK facing shove ott in big 3b pot 1/2 TPTK facing shove ott in big 3b pot

06-28-2018 , 10:43 PM
Hero solid TAG image. Players have respect because of a hero call i made 30 minutes before this hand. Stack 485€
Villain nice late 20s asian thinking player. Im in a whatsapp poker group and added him 1 hour before and he was really happy about it (not sure if this is relevant). Stack around 600€

Hero call hand:
Straddle, mp raises 12, hero 3b in sb to 40 with AsQs, fish in straddle calls, pfr folds. Flop (~94€) T96, check check. Turn T968 , villain 50 , hero calls. River (~194) T9685 villain 110 allin. I tank call and win against KJo

OTTH
Villain in hj raises 10, btn and sb call, hero in bb 55 with AK, only villain calls.
Flop (130) K7T
Hero 50, villain calls.
Turn (230) K7T5
Hero 150, villain thinks for a minute, asks how much behind and shoves for 380 eff. Hero?
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06-29-2018 , 12:01 AM
You don’t beat much here. TPTK isn’t really a 3 streets hands 250 bb’s deep. That being said, V has shown to be loose. You’re calling $230 into $530. Would prefer you didn’t have the Ad but once you lead turn for 40% of effective stacks I think you’re committed.

V could also be owning you here due your history of calling down light.
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06-29-2018 , 12:05 AM
EZ call. You lose to like 10 reasonable combos, less with weighting. You beat all TdXd, JdQd, Jd9d, 8d9d that can take this line. Plus he has chops in his range.
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06-29-2018 , 12:09 AM
Snap call. This isn't really a fistpump spot but there's no other way to play the hand. Sorry he had a set.
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06-29-2018 , 12:20 AM
I'd be bummed out too if he had a set but against this player I would call given the first hand. If you raised to 55 that really limits his range.
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06-29-2018 , 12:28 AM
The problem with this hand is you block a lot of the Flush Draw combos your ahead of with the Ace Of diamonds and you can’t rule out crazy two pair hands your Lag Villian could have along with sets.

I think I would have liked a bet of around 60 on the flop more. As played after you bet the turn you’ve committed half of your stack on this hand. The problem is whether your opponent is bluffing or not. Did you pick up any tells? How did he move his chips in?

I maybe leaning toward a fold here unless some body language or tells can convince me otherwise. Your hand is almost face up given the action.
I say fold and don’t pay him off.
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06-29-2018 , 03:59 AM
I'd check otf with Ad, lots of playable turns and it's hard to get 3 streets vs worse here vs a decent reg. Helps protect our checking range, he might just yolo with random draws/turn pairs into bluffs thinking you have 10x - QQ here and try to barrel you off. You can go for two streets vs weaker overpairs and 10x, whereas many players will fold to a 2nd barrel. Yeah, that's a good argument for having 3-barrel bluffs like AQo (block KQ, unblock diamonds), etc but once all the money goes in on this texture you're basically never good.

OTT it's not good to have the Ad and your basically towards the bottom of your value betting range. I'd just muck this.

I've played deep quite a bit, and esp once it goes around the 250bb+ mark, people are just waiting for the 3rd, 2nd, or absolute nuts to get the money in.

Yeah sure he can be bluffing some combo draw or pair + draw here, but those should be discounted quite a bit because 1) they are raising flop a decent amount and 2) they are more likely to be raising flop even more often given that you bet 38-40% pot otf.

H1 pretty interesting call there. You basically have 0 folding range..? Or did you just have a live read?

The fact that he saw you make such a light calldown in H1, I am much more inclined to fold here. He probably thinks you dont have a fold button.

Last edited by Minatorr; 06-29-2018 at 04:06 AM.
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06-29-2018 , 04:14 AM
hand 1 seems to be bad against a coldcalling fish on this runout.
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06-29-2018 , 07:43 AM
Hand 1 was vs a guy that lost in 5 hours about 1500€. He just kept rebuying. He once had a 1k stack and lost it because he was extremely spewy. I called him with A high because he was on tilt playing every hand and chasing losses and bluffing a lot. 10 minutes before the AQ hand he check-called huge bets against a tight player on flop+turn and bluff shoved on an ace river, got snapped and mucked for a 900€ pot. He coldcalled 3b extremely wide (like 84o). So he played almost ATC. I also had a read. Usually he was talking a lot during hands when he had something. In the AQ hand he was just staring on the board and seemed really nervous. And his line didnt make to much sense to me.

The AQ hand wasnt against the asian thinking player.

In the AK hand my plan was to bet flop and turn and check river. I didnt want to give a free river in case he has a combo draw. Checking turn would also feel too weak.
When he shoved ott my first instinct was TT or slowplayed AA. I asked him if he has AA or TT and he just stared at me. No real reaction. After thinking a bit i thought he could have AA or KK (although unlikely), TT, QdJd, 9d8d, 8d6d or also AK. He wouldnt plsy KQ like that.
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06-29-2018 , 07:47 AM
Wait, wait lol. You seriously posted a HH in the OP that wasn't even against villain? Wtf dude lol.
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06-29-2018 , 07:47 AM
You realise that invalidates every post made in this thread so far.
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06-29-2018 , 07:50 AM
The flush draw on board is what prevents me from getting away. Based on your description he is capable of raising with draws.
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06-29-2018 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Wait, wait lol. You seriously posted a HH in the OP that wasn't even against villain? Wtf dude lol.
No he said the hero call hand was not against the main villain, but main villain SAW it happen. Main villain is the 20s asian guy, thinking player
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06-29-2018 , 07:58 AM
I mean, I guess that can be derived from the post, it's not very clear. I personally skipped the preamble and went straight to the action, checking back on villain description when needed.
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06-29-2018 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
You realise that invalidates every post made in this thread so far.
Not mine. I understood what OP was saying before I posted. Seemed like pointless bragging about his hero call, but w/e.
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06-29-2018 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Wait, wait lol. You seriously posted a HH in the OP that wasn't even against villain? Wtf dude lol.
In the first post i wrote that villain from the AK hand was a thinking player and that the hero-call with AQ was against a fish. I thought its obvious that they are not the same person given the description.
I posted the other hand because villain saw the hand and was stunned. So he could be more cautious playing against me.
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06-29-2018 , 11:55 AM
Is it me or is this always pocket 77's/Sets. I feel like a lot of 1/2 fish are slow playing/trapping with their monsters regardless of the board texture. IMO, I think you have to fold here, I think you can discount a lot of Diamonds as noted by many earlier. Only hands you're happy to get it in here with are combo draws and about 98% of 1/2 players are not pulling that move off.

Personally, I've been in this situation so many times I stack off and shrug/complain about running bad. Just trying to be honest but ultimately I think it's a fold.
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06-29-2018 , 01:44 PM
In my clown pool V could easily have K8o here with this action.
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06-29-2018 , 02:18 PM
Bigger pre - $65-70, bigger flop - $100+, snapfold now. This is a set 90% of the time.
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06-29-2018 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Wait, wait lol. You seriously posted a HH in the OP that wasn't even against villain? Wtf dude lol.
You didnt realize that?

Think it’s somewhat relevant since we give off a certain image due to that hand
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06-30-2018 , 07:02 AM
I called feeling commited and he had TT. I should have made an exploitative fold.
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06-30-2018 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
I called feeling commited and he had TT. I should have made an exploitative fold.
Why? What's the math dictate? If AllThatCheese is correct, don't you have a good chunk of equity vs. his all-in range?

This is easily answered with any software, giving V the range you put him on when he shoves & look at your % of equity vs. what % of the pot your call will be.
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07-04-2018 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Bigger pre - $65-70, bigger flop - $100+, snapfold now. This is a set 90% of the time.


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