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01-31-2018 , 11:38 PM

paulthecomposer

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 41

I'd appreciate your opinions on the following hand.

£1/2 at a regional UK casino.

Villain is a somewhat passive whale but can be unpredictable at times. He sees most flops and usually prefers to limp. He is certainly capable of making ridiculous moves but this usually happens after he loses a large pot. I have been at the table for around 30 minutes and he has been in a passive mood up to this point. He has approximately £250 and I cover him.

Villain UTG+1 raises £7
MP calls
Hero on BTN 3B £22 with AcJc
Villain and MP call

Flop: JdTd2h

Villain goes All in for £225
MP folds
Hero?

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01-31-2018 , 11:40 PM

iraisetoomuch

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 37,476

Meh. Call.
Only a few 2p combos, just a few set combos. And a bunch of draw combos.

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01-31-2018 , 11:41 PM

iraisetoomuch

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Although the fact that he raised first in makes this a lot closer and might push it to a fold. There's a lot moee QQ, JJ, TT, JTs in his range. Close between a call and a fold but I'd learn towards fold.

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02-01-2018 , 06:03 AM

Nogyong

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When he jams 222 into a pot of 66 against two players like this we can probably fold profitably.

Looks like:

stupidly played overpair
monster draw
and less often JTs, 22

In any case he's not often doing this with hands we crush like KJ/QJ.

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02-01-2018 , 06:06 AM

monikrazy

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Given description, fold

Villain has a handful of semi-bluffs but hero is crushed by his value hands

Passive whales raising early position and shoving this flop tend to be quite strong, kk+

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02-01-2018 , 11:36 AM

Javanewt

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Fold. We could be ahead, but I doubt often enough to make it profitable, and if we are, we are fading a lot of cards. Plus, passive to aggressive isn't usually weak.

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02-01-2018 , 02:17 PM

Amanaplan

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Not folding.

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02-01-2018 , 03:32 PM

shorn7

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

Not folding.

Curious as to why? What in the OP descrip of V or the hand makes you want to call so much with just top pair?

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02-01-2018 , 04:07 PM

twitcherroo

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I’m turbo mucking. Might accidentally injure the dealer, the 10 seat or the cocktail waitress. No reason I see at all to call here. Only hand we’re currently ahead of is a royal draw and even that has tons of equity.

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02-01-2018 , 04:12 PM

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Kobold Esq

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Passive whale raises from an early position, then shoves when presented with a scary wet flop. This screams QQ+ to me. Table should told, and V reveals his high pair, saying something like "I didn't want anyone to suck out on me"

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02-01-2018 , 10:53 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Curious as to why? What in the OP descrip of V or the hand makes you want to call so much with just top pair?

Ridiculous moves might include jamming Jx hands, but really it's just that I have no diamond, no K no Q, and a straight blocker and it's a single BI.

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02-01-2018 , 11:46 PM

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paulthecomposer

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

Ridiculous moves might include jamming Jx hands

This is what makes the hand more difficult because I have previously witnessed him go into maniac mode with top pair type hands and silly draws but in the past it was after he had lost a buy in or 2, which was not the case prior to this hand.

I did call and he had JT.

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02-02-2018 , 12:09 AM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by paulthecomposer

That history probably makes it easier imo. Really though pre was just way too small, you’d like a fold w this hand pretty often if raising. That goes hand in hand w stacking off with it w TPTK. 40 pre is good.

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02-02-2018 , 11:02 AM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

Ridiculous moves might include jamming Jx hands, but really it's just that I have no diamond, no K no Q, and a straight blocker and it's a single BI.

Reasoning on bolded meaning these are more likely in his hand because we have none so more of his range is drawing I assume. Interesting...had not thought of that way to view this move.

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02-02-2018 , 02:17 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Reasoning on bolded meaning these are more likely in his hand because we have none so more of his range is drawing I assume. Interesting...had not thought of that way to view this move.

For me it’s enough to make it a call in a 3b pot if I have this hand as a 3b pre. On the other hand, it’s by no means a bad option to just lolfold because massive bets in this game are just so often fat value and there are few value bets for worse in to two players.

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