Hi guys still new to this forum. Just thought I would post some interesting spots thay I faced and hope to get your advice and opinion! Thanks

1/2 game
Effective stacks 350
8 handed

Villian raises to $6 from 3rd position. Hero flats with KJ in 4th position
3 other callers

Pot 30

Flop: 9TJ

Villian bets 20
Hero raises to 60
Other players fold
Villian reraises to 160

Villian has been seen to open with a wide range preflop, and plays pretty straightforward portflop. First few hands with him. Haven't seen him bluff yet

Hero?

If he's straightforward postflop, then this is a pretty easy fold. You're getting 2.2-to-1. You can be pretty confident that you're behind. You can be pretty confident that he's jamming the turn. The only outs that you can be sure of are the gutshot outs.

I'd also suggest you either 3! or fold preflop. $6 is likely to get called in several spots. That means you'll have terrible relative position AND terrible absolute position on the flop. That's a big leak.

why the raise after the flop?

Fold. And I don't think you should raise the flop there.

Yeah don't raise that flop for that amount.

Bloating pot with medium strength hand to see where we are.....

DUH...

Lighting 3 $20 bills on fire............

Preflop... I am good with the call.

Flop. Call....

You have top pair good kicker on a super wet board that spanks any villains range pre....

As played, simple fold.

I raised on the flop as there were 3 people behind me and I wanted to isolate the initial bettor as well as to see where I was at with my hand. I realise it wasn't a good move but can someone explain why please?

I understand as played it's a fold. What hand would we like to have to jam over his 3 bet on the flop? 2 pair or better? Overpair and better?

Fold,calmly call the floor,tell them there are 2 jack of spades,?????,profit.

Why do you want to isolate? Why do you need to raise to see where you are at?

I cannot imagine a range of hands you are beating here versus almost any 1/2 villain.

Fold as played.

Call the flop.

Why raise the flop with 3 people behind on such a scary board? You are likely going to be in some serious trouble on the next two streets if you don't hit your gutshot and the pot is multi-way. That's assuming you aren't getting 3bet by any of the 4 players.

The reason why raising the flop is bad is because your hand is not that strong 4 way in a raise/called pot. This board smashes a lot of players ranges and you are putting in money in a spot where it's quite likely someone has you beat 4 way. Now, if this were heads up then you could make a case for your play. But 4 way at live 1/2 I just see this as one of the worst spots you could pick to play this way.

FWIW, I also fold preflop but that depends on table dynamics. KJo OOP vs most of the table is not that great of a hand.

This isn't the type of hand where you're going to want to juice the flop. Think of a quick range of hands that you beat and then think about the range of hands that beat you. Now think about which hands out of both groups that will call big bets on multiple streets and how your hand rates against those.

This hand on this flop is a poster child for getting 2 streets of unraised value, at a maximum, unimproved. Let the hand develop as a small pot and take your showdown value when you're ahead. If the hand starts to balloon let it go, there's a ton of reasonable hands that beat you and want to play a big pot.

In reality raising this flop is assine,you fold out all worse hands and get called/raised by better.Im a fan on taking aggressive lines when it's close,but this one isn't really that close.

???

you're cruched. instamuck. He is never folding

fold, as most others have pointed out raising this flop is pretty bad

I see. I will work on improving my game along those thought processes and continue to improve. Realise it was a pretty bad mistake. Thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate it.

So what hand would we want in this case to raise or shove over a 3bet on he flop. Overpair +?

You have to keep in mind, that in this hand in particular KQ never doesn't make it to the flop, you've also got the Q8, 87 and all the sets to worry about. To put it in perspective, if someone put a ton of pressure on me on this flop I would not be happy to have a 99 and would be insta mucking several 2 pair combos

You can just do a thought experiment of figuring out theoretical holdings your opponents might have. Remember that there are 4 of them, which is a lot to see the flop. None of them have great starting hands or there would have been more action preflop (although maaaaybe the initial raiser has something really good). You're probably looking at some suited connecters, suited one gappers, low pocket pairs, AXs, low paint cards, etc.

theoretical opponents' hands 1:

QJ

89s

44

AT

theoretical opponents' hands 2:

A2s

JT

45s

66

theoretical opponents' hands 3:

AJ

77

KTs

97s

etc., etc., etc. As you go through this process you'll see that there's a pretty good chance you are the sucker in this hand, or at least aren't particularly far ahead.

At 1/2, contrary to what other posters say, I don't think I'm calling with KJo. What's the point? I'm almost always looking for hands where I can felt an opponent.

None of that is a reason to raise. Raise to get called by worse or to fold out better. You're very rarely folding better and you're very rarely getting called by worse.

Why would you ever want to jam over his bet with any hand? Would you be bluffing, hoping to get called by a weak hand or ???

If you want to isolate, do that pre-flop, but this is a very easy fold pre-flop.

I hope you're trying to be funny..


I'm ONLY jamming KQ here, nothing else. Bloating pot in this situation with only TPGK is a big mistake.

Personally, I would just fold pre, but since you called, I don't mind the call on the flop. Even with a K or J OTT I still would be inclined to just call a turn bet by V. I just think KQ is right in V's wheelhouse here, so I wouldn't be inclined to push action too hard.

As played I fold. Usually this line means set or better in the games I play. I would also just call the flop. Generally I think your raise will fold out better hands and keep stronger ones in. That's bad. Folding pre is fine too Kj is rubbish sort of. Check out the term rio.

Ok, have a plan from the beginning - what is your plan with KJ vs V who raise with wide range and play ABC post ? What are you trying to flop with KJ in multiway pot ? WHY ARE YOU RAISING THE FLOP ??? This is not a tough spot - you made it one . So , before you start planing your hands in advance , you going to have a lot of them ...