Game is playing loose passive for the most part. Villain in this hand just lost a big one with KK v AA all in pre. I think he’s tilting.

Hero UTG+1 (300) TAG image.

Villain BB (95) Loose image. He seems like a thinking fish.

7 handed.

Hero opens to 8 with TThd. BB calls.

HU
(17) Flop AATscd
BB checks. Hero bets 7. BB calls.
(31) Turn 4s
BB checks. Hero bets 20. BB raises to 40. Hero calls?
(111) River 2s
BB checks. Hero bets 40 all in.

My main question here is the turn. It’s a really awkward spot because I feel like I can’t rep air no matter what I do. If I call it looks like I’m trapping with an Ace, and if I reraise i can’t really have any bluffs. So what do we do?

Almost no one has a raise/fold range OTT, much less a short stacked tilty V. Just stick it in OTT.

^^ Getting him all in on the turn would just be a min raise at this point and he's not check raising you then folding when you put in for 40 more.

+1

You have less than 50 BB effective and you’re worried about a cooler?

Poker may not be for you.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Also table change.

An $8 open gets folds from everyone but the big blind?





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

anyway, at this particular hand it probably doesn´t make a difference whatever you do and how you look like, it will be pretty hard not to get his money. I prefer getting it in ott with these stack sizes mainly to save time.

You are right that everything you do looks really strong. It really doesn't matter, when villain min raises with that little behind villain is either committed or they are not and it's heavily weighted towards committed.

Since you have position I'm slightly partial to calling turn and giving villain a chance to move in themselves on river. It is only slightly better if at all. It's very unlikely villain has a draw but they might be worried you do and there is a small chance they fold river when flush comes in.

you don't need to be able to rep air in every spot. Sometimes, when there's really little left to bet, you're just gonna always have it, and that's ok.

So I'd probably just shove the turn since maybe he has some draw that he thinks can still win if it hits.

Yeah with these stack sizes you just have to gii ott. It's 1/2 they're gonna call with a lot worse than a boat. If his ace rag got there pay the man theres only 40 left behind

Yeah I wasn’t even thinking about the possibility that I was beat but I guess he could have aces full it’s possible. I was more trying to figure out the best way to get all the chips in

Simplest part of the game. Just slide chips forward.

But on the turn or the river...

Are u messing with me?

Not really tough. Stick it in on the turn. If he has aces full, good for him.

You don't even really need a bluff range here since he's gonna get 3.75:1 on a call and be priced in every time he's value raising worse. If he has a bluff, he's probably not going to try and get you off trips for 40 more into 111. He might even call off with like K-hi spades and be dead. Just so much better to get the $ in now.

Yeah I was thinking if I had a KQ, QJ, KJ he might think I could justify calling the turn bet to hit a gut shot for that price... but I probably wouldn’t unless I had the bdfd as well

Edit: calling also keeps KK QQ JJ. As a possibility in my range and he might bet Ace Rag for value on the riv

if you really need to call sometimes, call with like AA/AT. He's gonna call a shove w/ Ace rag anyway so it's ok if he can play perfect against us in this specific situation.

I was watching a concept video from Phil Galfond where he said that u shouldn’t bluff unless u can rep a value hand. And likewise u shouldn’t valuebet unless u can rep a bluff.
Do u not think this concept applies here?

It applies to situations where your bet is half pot or more I would say. I don't think it applies to 1/4th pot or less bets, especially if they are all ins. Sometimes you're just never bluffing because they're never folding for the small remaining bet, and that's ok. Only if they ever find a fold here should you ever consider needing to bluff this situation.

In general that's correct. In this specific case no. Here's why.

So he has two categories of hand. Value and bluff.

His value is going to consist of Ax and better. His bluff could range from total airball to turned spades.

So let's go with group one. Let's say he value raises A9+ and can't have AA in his range (but can have 44). We go all in. He's getting 4.75:1 on a call. Almost no one is going to fold a hand as strong as Ax (with redraw, mind you) for that price. So shoving weakly dominates calling against this group, because we get the same or more no matter what he has. And if he wants to fold Ax when we have TT, that's fine.

Now let's go with group two. Is he gonna bluff the river when called? Maybe if he's a kamikaze pilot. But if, say, he has spades, he's only putting in if he hits most likely, and at 4.75:1 he might call it off anyway. Calling may perform better here if he has like KQ, and we give him his 4 outer to put the last 40 in, but this will be a small portion of his range.

So shoving doesn't weakly dominate calling, but it's going to do better, on average, against both portions of his range. Pot odds always supersede range distribution; you have to take a price when you have the correct odds to do so, even if it means continuing wider than you'd like.

This is such a weird hand to be wasting brain power on.

We are in position with the effective nuts and our short stacked opponent just min raised the turn.

Jam turn? w/e can't be bad
Call and play river IP with a ridiculous SPR vs what should be either air or a strong hand? w/e can't be bad.

Unless you fold turn there's really not a "what's the better play here on how to get villain's stack in the middle"

Just rip it in on the turn after he check raises.
Easy game.

I would modify this to "You shouldn't bluff unless you can rep a value hand and you can bet enough to deny villain's hands from having equity to draw against that value hand. And likewise u shouldn’t valuebet unless u can rep a bluff, or your bet is small enough that opponent can perceives that they have enough pot odds to draw against your range of value hands"

Not tough. If you were 300 BB deep maybe tougher but against a ss this is a slam dunk jam ott. Expect him to have trip A. If you are afraid he has a bigger boat well be thankful he’s ss.

The guy isn't worried about being beat. He's unsure whether to jam turn or just call to keep bluffs in the villains range and keep him from folding weak Ax or some other random garb.


There's not enough money behind for this decision to be at all relevant.

+1. Not a chance a semi tilted guy is folding the turn after check raising.