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06-05-2013 , 06:56 AM
Edgewater Casino CA
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Hero: mid 20's white male, rocking no hoodie because it's damn hot outside. Been playing for less than 30 min, pretty card dead so not even including in much of the limpfest. TAG image perhaps, only hand I've played so far went as such: really bad female fish makes it 7, Villain 1 calls, another caller, Hero 3bets to 31 with TT, all call and subsequently fold to a cbet of 60 on J66 flop. Bit after that hand, seen a flop or two, stack now at $365

Villain 1: mid 20's asian male, wearing glasses and a hoodie. Seems to be table captain from what little I've seen. Opening up a lot pf and cbetting and really just bullying anyone who's in a pot with him. In a particular hand he opened to his usual 15, a tight but not aggro player to his left made it 30 (stack $270ish), folds back to villain 1 who calls. Flop is 66A villain leads out 45, 100 OTT, and blind bets the guy AI on river. Guy eventually calls and villain rolls over 64s for the winner. Villain 1 is very aggro, though how far that goes into bluffing or donking away money isn't clear yet. stack $700

Villain 2: late 40's asian male. Haven't really seen much out of him, limps and calls with the rest. Stack continues to dwindle as he mostly just c/c or c/f. Seems to like to chase draws though tighter pf than most. stack $120

On to the hand!

UTG+2 limps, UTG+3 limps, Villain 1 in cutoff limps, BTN limps, Hero in SB limps with K7 and Villain 2 in BB completes.

Flop: $12
K72

Hero bets 10, Villain 2 calls, folds to Villain 1 who raises to 40, folds to Hero who..

As played, I was thinking I'm probably way ahead of him or he has a set and I'm crushed. While my hand is strong, I felt coming over the top of him again would only fold out his junk/marginal hands and have him own me with a set. My hand was probably the best right now, and the best way to extract more money was to let him continue his aggressive line. Is this flawed logic?

calls, as does villain 2.

Turn: $132
K72A

Hero checks, Villain 2 checks, Villain 1 takes less than 5 seconds and pushes out a stack of 100. Hero...?

Is this a good line so far? I'm willing to discuss the turn check, as it does bring a backdoor flush possible, but I felt the A as a scare card would be too good for him to pass up if he were to continue betting, though he definitely would have to have some showdown value as villain 2 is so short stacked he's probably priced in to call (if he has anything).

Thanks in advance
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06-05-2013 , 07:35 AM
As played, call and evaluate river. I don't think the A helped. Could have a heart draw with Ah or Kh, thus the raise on the flop.

I'd 3-bet flop to $110, trying to value KhXh and other flush draws, as well as slow-played KX hands. If he has 22, bad luck.
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06-05-2013 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by NebDanger
Edgewater Casino CA
1-2 $300 max buy-in

Hero: mid 20's white male, rocking no hoodie because it's damn hot outside. Been playing for less than 30 min, pretty card dead so not even including in much of the limpfest. TAG image perhaps, only hand I've played so far went as such: really bad female fish makes it 7, Villain 1 calls, another caller, Hero 3bets to 31 with TT, all call and subsequently fold to a cbet of 60 on J66 flop. Bit after that hand, seen a flop or two, stack now at $365

Villain 1: mid 20's asian male, wearing glasses and a hoodie. Seems to be table captain from what little I've seen. Opening up a lot pf and cbetting and really just bullying anyone who's in a pot with him. In a particular hand he opened to his usual 15, a tight but not aggro player to his left made it 30 (stack $270ish), folds back to villain 1 who calls. Flop is 66A villain leads out 45, 100 OTT, and blind bets the guy AI on river. Guy eventually calls and villain rolls over 64s for the winner. Villain 1 is very aggro, though how far that goes into bluffing or donking away money isn't clear yet. stack $700

Villain 2: late 40's asian male. Haven't really seen much out of him, limps and calls with the rest. Stack continues to dwindle as he mostly just c/c or c/f. Seems to like to chase draws though tighter pf than most. stack $120

On to the hand!

UTG+2 limps, UTG+3 limps, Villain 1 in cutoff limps, BTN limps, Hero in SB limps with K7 and Villain 2 in BB completes.

Flop: $12
K72

Hero bets 10, Villain 2 calls, folds to Villain 1 who raises to 40, folds to Hero who..

As played, I was thinking I'm probably way ahead of him or he has a set and I'm crushed. While my hand is strong, I felt coming over the top of him again would only fold out his junk/marginal hands and have him own me with a set. My hand was probably the best right now, and the best way to extract more money was to let him continue his aggressive line. Is this flawed logic?

calls, as does villain 2.

Turn: $132
K72A

Hero checks, Villain 2 checks, Villain 1 takes less than 5 seconds and pushes out a stack of 100. Hero...?

Is this a good line so far? I'm willing to discuss the turn check, as it does bring a backdoor flush possible, but I felt the A as a scare card would be too good for him to pass up if he were to continue betting, though he definitely would have to have some showdown value as villain 2 is so short stacked he's probably priced in to call (if he has anything).

Thanks in advance
Well V2 is committed here so if he has any piece of it he's staying. I'm kind of on the fence about whether or not we should have reraised the flop, for the sake of decision making I would say reraise the flop. On the turn, I'm prolly calling and reevaluating the river. Its kinda hard to put V1 on anything solid, IMO he could flip over 22 just as easily as a Ax or Kx flush draw

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06-05-2013 , 08:59 AM
On the flop I think you need to reraise not only to protect your hand from draws and combos but to get value from them while you're ahead. Given your description of Villain 1 and the preflop action I think pocket 77s are unlikely, so realistically the only hand that has you dominated is pocket 22s. As far as I'm concerned if this particular villain shows up with a set of 7s or 2s on this board texture it's somewhat of a cooler.

As played I'm not happy to see the Ace on the turn but I suppose it's better than seeing a heart. Any nut flush draw just improved a bit with the Ace on the turn while also scaring any remaining KX hands. If this was a more passive villain I wouldn't like the check because of the likelihood of it checking behind, but given the aggro nature of this villain I think it was entirely reasonable to check to induce if you have a soild read.

The question is my mind is how aggro Villain 1 really is? In the one previous description of his play he had the virtual nuts when he fired the three barrels. If you think there is a possibility that this villain can get away from his hand or will check behind on the river if it bricks I think you need to c/r the turn all in, if not then calling and reevaluating seems like the correct course to take.
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06-05-2013 , 09:05 AM
Without some read on what V1's bluffing range is I like raising flop also. This gives you a chance of getting away from hand if V1 has it and charges V2 for the possible draws. If V1 is bluffing a lot, the call down line with top two is fine and I probably do it here some of the time also.

Once you decide to flat flop you have to commit to calling it down unless a heart hits. Villains like V1 are going to bet/bet/bet and you can't call flop and give up turn against them very often.
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06-05-2013 , 09:10 AM
OTF, I like a lead out of over the pot when I flop like this. I would bet 15.

I think there is a strong argument for re-raising the flop. Does he ever overlimp from position with any pocket pairs? Based on description, I would guess no and discount the chance he has a set. If he has a flush draw he isn't going anywhere. If he has KhXh/K2/72 (can we rule out 72 here? I don't think so.) you are going to get it in OTF way ahead. Downside of this is obviously that we are folding out all of his air, but there's too much immediate value and in any event we want to protect our somewhat vulnerable hand from bad run outs like 2x/99/hh.

As played, you obviously are never folding the turn. Which means that if you flat $100 you will have roughly $225 left with a pot of $332. Don't see any need to re-evaluate, you are committed to this one. Jam the turn before a bad card hits the river. You are giving him 2.5:1 to call if you do this. I think you can safely do that and get a lot of calls from Pair+FD/WorseTwoPair/Ax and flush draws that don't quite have the odds to be making that call.
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06-05-2013 , 03:38 PM
Lol at raising flop. No.

Hand is fine, it's time to jam.
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06-06-2013 , 06:14 PM
Thanks for the replies

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero tanks for a bit and goes AI, Villain 2 calls off his rest, Villain 1 goes in to tank and eventually calls. Someone immediately said "got a set?!" and he replied "nah" and I felt on top of the world. Non-heart river and Villain 1 shows K7 and Villain 2 mucks.
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06-06-2013 , 08:02 PM
I may be on the nitty side of the TAG contingent here but I think its a fold pre. The lowest suited King I'd be completing here is K9, even with four limpers.

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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Lol at raising flop. No.

Hand is fine, it's time to jam.
As played, this.
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06-06-2013 , 08:58 PM
Never 3bet flop. What range do we get value from?
0 value on this board texture and hand is face up, lets villain get away easy. Many turn cards will either increase vil's equity or lead him to barrel. If he checks behind ott we bet river for value and get called by a much wider range, for roughly same amnt as flop 3b.
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06-06-2013 , 10:01 PM
I don't mind the call otf. Ship it ott. If he's flush drawing he mucks missed river.
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06-07-2013 , 12:07 AM
Great line ship the turn, winner
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