1/2, ~320 effective stacks

V1, UTG - extremely loose and on the passive side post flop. Won't lay draws or top pair down seemingly regardless of action.
Hero, MP - TAG. Have abandoned many hands post flop on the night and some may be considering me weak.
V2, SB - Older dealer. Playing quite a few hands with some aggression, pretty sticky postflop, haven't noted anything else.

Preflop
V1 UTG limps. UTG+1 limps. Hero MP (Ac10c) raises to 17. V2 SB 3-bets to 37. V1 UTG calls. Hero calls.

UTG could have about anything, while SB has a big hand. Have not seen SB 3-bet before. Initially wanted to get heads up with V1. Thought about folding to the 3-bet, but was almost getting 5:1 on the call. Pot is 114.

Flop 10h, 8d, 4s
V2 SB bets 90, UTG+1 calls, Hero Calls.

V1 could have any pair, a set, J9 or maybe QJ. I thought V2 range preflop was around AQs+,AKo, JJ+. I thought V2 continues with the AQ and AK hands. Pot is 384.

Turn 2, completing rainbow.
V2 SB All In for 180, UTG+1 calls (< 100 remaining after call), Hero? (~ 200 remaining). Pot is 744.

Feedback on all streets appreciated.

I agree with this range; This range crushes your hand ; You're getting a good price pf to call so I don't hate it but folding is an option here for sure given the range you are likely up against.

He is repping strictly OP's when he barrels the turn into two players. I would fold

flop call is fine if you think he is c-betting his AK/AQ; I think players often c-bet small with their missed AK/AQ; this sizing is close to pot size so this could indicate that he does indeed have an OP; this feels like QQ+ all day

Raise less pre, fold pre vs 3b and cold call, fold flop, fold turn

Calling preflop 3bet was fine given the price but fold flop. Flopping TPTK on a T-hi flop and stacking off was not the reason for calling pre.

Combinatorically he’s most likely got KK here. If you’re continuing postflop in these spots then fold pre because you’re spewing heavily and super -EV.

I’d want effective stacks to be at least 400 to call pre 3 ways. Heads up I’d call. SPR needs to be at least 4 to continue for me

Edit - if flop had a club I’d be more likely to peel one and see what happens. This might be one of those dumb hands where somehow SB shows up with AK and V2 shows up with J9 and hero would have scooped, but they have to be at the absolute bottom of their ranges for turn to be a call, which seems very unlikely. SB almost always has an overpair

I think folding to the 3bet preflop is best even though the pot odds are good and you're well ahead of V1 and IP Vs both villains. If V2 3bet is AQ+ JJ+ he's crushing your hand and it's very hard for you to hit a flop that's really good for you and easily played even IP.

I probably call in-game myself though LOL!

Post flop I just doubt V2 barrels his Ace-high hands on a T-high board into a massive station. Therefore I think you're losing, particularly after V2 shoves completely brick turn. I mean he can't have picked up equity to semibluff so surely he has an overpair a lot here?

If I knew villain would bomb flops like this I may just fold pre as well. Even with a I don’t think we can continue for this price because we know it’s all going in on the turn and we need to hit runner runner PLUS V2 stacking off just for the math to pencil out AND we need all live outs aka V2 can’t have slow played a flopped set.

So with everything coming full circle folding pre is best.

I don't want to derail this thread, but what is the best inexpensive software I can use to calculate my equity against the AQs+, AKo, JJ+ range after this flop? I've downloaded a few free versions today and am struggling to use them. Calculating equity against ranges is something I want to start doing.

I use PkrCruncher app on my phone. Think it was free or very inexpensive. I'm not up-to-date on modern software for the computer though...

FYI you have around 25% equity vs two players one with JJ+ AQ+ and other with a 40% preflop range. You're getting the pot odds - it's just your hand is dominated so it's really hard to play:

If you hit an Ace on flop yes you beat 18 combos of KK-JJ but you can't go for much value because you lose to 17 combos of AA/AK/AQ.

Really your calling with the hope of flopping 2pair+ or a decent draw. You can't expect to bluff V2 off the pot with the station in because the station is a station so whatever you bluff V2 with you've got to actually showdown against the station a fair amount of the time.

The pot odds are only one factor in the preflop decision.

I agree, calculating equity is only one aspect of the preflop decision. It's just one of the many parts of my game that need improvement.

I'm pretty convinced I should have found a fold preflop, especially considering my skill level. However, most of the players I find difficult to play against, and appear to be the bigger winners in the game, do not make this fold preflop. I'm also becoming concerned the better players in the game are starting to notice I fold too readily to being 3-bet. I'm playing in this game about once a week the past few months.

It's one of my major failings that I'm too quick to adjust against what I perceive to be loose 3bet ranges.

I've taken the decision recently to make my first adjustment to be tightening up my EP/MP open ranges so I can more easily defend them. This way I'm not making a ton of mistakes defending wide open ranges light against what turn out to be tight 3bettors running good.

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Well, this was one of those dumb hands.

When V2 jams the turn, I'm thinking I'm an idiot and what the hell am I even doing in this hand? He's got to have an overpair and I folded.

V2 tables AKs and V1 tables QTo. I folded with them damn near drawing dead for a 370BB pot. That's a catastrophe!

First thought - I need to learn how to calculate equity vs. ranges. I still think the original 3-bet range was still pretty accurate, so if he double barrels this entire range maybe a flop or turn fold was correct even though I was ahead?

Second thought - I think the regulars know I'm capable of folding big hands and may be taking advantage of this. After the hand, he looked towards me quizzically and asked if I folded an overpair? WTF, did he jam thinking he could make me lay down an overpair? While I've only played with the guy a couple times, he deals at the club and has watched me play quite a bit. I thought for a while on the flop so he correctly read I was making a tough call.

Third thought - am I that ****ty at understand what players are capable of? I don't play on my phone, I don't watch TV, I try to stay engaged as much as my feeble brain allows. I had no idea he was capable of spewing like this, or maybe it wasn't spewage?

It’s definitely spew but you shouldn’t be giving away info like you made a tough flop call.

I think you played this hand fine, don't be too results-oriented. Especially since V1 seems to be a massive fish who you can basically consider to be dead money.

You're getting great odds to call pre-flop, so I think it's a good call assuming you're good enough to not stack off on an A high board.

I think you definitely ranged V1 correctly here, so the real question is just how he play AKs/AKo.

In contrast to what others have said, I see many V's bomb the pot with a whiffed AKs. Especially on a dryish board like this, they actually will often size down with overpairs and try to maximize FE with a big pot-sized bet if they have AKs.

Regardless, assuming he continues here with his entire preflop range, you have 42% which is a great price considering the fish's money. I'd call here too. It sounds like you might have tanked the flop though, which he could have taken for weakness.

The turn is the toughest part since most V's *do* give up with their AKs here. In most cases, I'd fold here.

This would be heavily live-read dependent, but I suspect your tank on flop might have induced.

You're being given a price of 19%—180/(744+180)—on the turn, so the question is if he does this with AK and if so how often. If you give him all 4 combos of AKs (but none of AKo), this is a breakeven call. If you give him any AKo combos, it's easier. If it's fewer than 3 combos, it's a good fold.

V2 is a terribad spewtard.

He's out of his mind thinking that V1 folds any of his flop calling range on that blank turn. So many TX, two OESDs, a bazillion gutshots, V1 probs can't fold an 8 with an overcard plus you in the hand too.

The guy's a complete idiot. He's not exploiting you, he's just crushing himself by playing straight into the whale's "strategy".