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1/2NL AK in position vs 1/2pot donkbet 1/2NL AK in position vs 1/2pot donkbet

01-30-2016 , 07:16 PM
Hero has been at table for about 90 minutes, building a $300 stack to about 600. Notable pots have been: stacking a 200 stack with 88 on a 832 monotone board vs naked flush draw, raising the button, cbetting, and showing 72o vs V1, and winning a pretty big limped pot which I'll spell out further:

Hero was SB with Q7dd and saw a 6way flop. KdTs5d. Hero bets 10 and gets called by V1. Turn 9d. Hero bets 22 and gets raised to 50. Since we were 500 deep Hero just called since he didn't know enough about his opponent to make informed decision. River blanks, Hero checks and raises a bet of 25 to 100 and gets paid off by K9.

V1 ($400 UTG2) seems to be a straightforward, seminitty casual player. Has a drink in front of him. Hasn't shown much aggression in the 90 minutes Hero has seen. Has folded top pair once and acted like it was an easy fold (it was)

V2 ($70 LJ) is a terrible lady who likes to chase and often folds the turn.

Hero (covers, HJ) has AK 4 limps to him. Raise to $15. V1 calls, random V calls, V2 calls.

Pot $60 Flop AQ9 V1 thinks for about 4s and throws out 30. Pretty sure he is never doing this without at least an ace and never a draw. V2 thinks for 5s and calls $30 leaving her $24 behind. Hero calls after thinking for awhile.

Pot $150 Turn is the K and V1 checks. V2 throws in her last $24. Hero calls. V1 calls.

Both flop and turn are debatable I think. I went for a pretty nitty pot control way of playing my AK. With V1 having so much in front of him, am I leaving money on the table?
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01-30-2016 , 08:03 PM
No raise on the flop is kinda weird imho. Board is super wet with 3 V's l. You have position and a big raise puts you in absolute control with absolute and relative position on all V's.

OTT with V1 being a straightforward player his line looks like a draw. I see no reason not** to make a raise here especially if you think V2 has main pot with a made flush.

Last edited by dwannabe; 01-30-2016 at 08:29 PM.
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01-30-2016 , 08:06 PM
I think it's fine. I think it's hard for you to get too much value from much worse on the turn by raising, with a straight and flush out there. IME, AQ is more likely to give you value on the river than by a turn raise.
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01-30-2016 , 08:19 PM
Oops missed you had the Ac. That definitely throws a wrench in things, but I'm fine flatting. I'm still not convinced a min-raise won't scare off the hands we're ahead of, and with as much equity as we have I think we'll be in a better spot to go for thin value on bricked rivers, and possibly play for stacks if an A or K hits and he was leading the flop with a set.
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01-31-2016 , 12:32 AM
Well played both pre and flop. I would not raise the flop either. You don't want to open the action again and you'd have to fold if 3bet. TPTK with plenty of backdoor draws warrants a call.

I think you can call or raise the turn and fine as played. Villain checked the ultimate scare card which tells me he wants to fold. I'd probably raise the turn because I don't think we can get more money out of worse two pair or Ax. I think we can get sets to fold. I'd rather get V1 to dump all of his equity than sucker another 12BB out of him.
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01-31-2016 , 03:39 PM
I am short of reasons to play this hand differently with V1's lack of enthusiasm.
You and V1 are playing for the short stack.

A raise on the flop may have shut the hand down, and you would have missed getting the last crumbs from short stack and the free $$ from V1.
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01-31-2016 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
Well played both pre and flop. I would not raise the flop either. You don't want to open the action again and you'd have to fold if 3bet. TPTK with plenty of backdoor draws warrants a call.

I think you can call or raise the turn and fine as played. Villain checked the ultimate scare card which tells me he wants to fold. I'd probably raise the turn because I don't think we can get more money out of worse two pair or Ax. I think we can get sets to fold. I'd rather get V1 to dump all of his equity than sucker another 12BB out of him.
I don't like raising as a bluff. It's a little optimistic to assume sets will ever fold. I don't mind the passive line but I think a small turn raise for value is better than flatting. We don't really get paid on 4 flush rivers and we may get paid when we make a boat. I don't hate flatting but if we raise turn we need to be prepared to call it off.
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01-31-2016 , 05:27 PM
Raise more pre. Raise flop.
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01-31-2016 , 08:44 PM
I don't like raising the flop when a nit donk bets into me. He is not calling a raise with worse Ax and he has no flush draws in his range except for j10 of clubs which is a slight favorite over our hand. Sure we can iso the fish lady but she only has $24 left.

I think we are doing pretty bad against this guy's donk betting range. Its either Ax or something beating us like AQ, A9, 99, and a less likely j10 of clubs. I don't think he has a lot of Ax that calls our preflop raise and then leads out on the flop.

I'm playing pot control throughout the hand. This really isn't as great a spot as it seems.
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01-31-2016 , 09:13 PM
Given reads and presence of shortie I'm ok with trying to find a cheap showdown.

On turn If our read and reasons for flatting the nitty guys flop donk were correct we can click it up to $50 to get a side pot going as we are ahead of his range now with multiple outs to the nuts. 3 combos 99 should be the only hand in his range that beats us.
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