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Old 03-25-2014, 04:47 AM   #1
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1/2 top pair on river, villian bets into us, what do we do?

Been at the table for about an hour. Main villian seems decent & probably not out of line too often. Only history I have on him is from a few orbits ago when he min 3b me pf. Flop came A68, he Cbet small OOP and folded his JJ face up to my 3x raise with 44, which I showed. Other hand I saw him showdown was where he flopped bottom set on a 3 flush board & led out for pot. Checked down oop when 4th flush card hit on turn... My image should be fairly solid and the 44 was the only bluff I've shown down. Turned over the nuts to chop twice.

Anyways, as for this hand, I have about $240 to start. 1 limper in hand and hero raises to 12 with KdQD from CO. Sb (affornentioned villian)calls, bb (very laggy) calls & limper folds. Flop comes Qs8s4d. Both villains check, hero bets 20, both call. Turn is Jh. Both check, hero bets $40, both call. River 10h. Sb leads out for $85 to leave $120 behind. BB folds. Hero?
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Old 03-25-2014, 09:12 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 top pair on river, villian bets into us, what do we do?

First re-evaluate your images of villains.

If V1 in SB is indeed "decent & not out of line too often" then he's purposely laying you the 3.5:1 because your hand is essentially face-up. I doubt that he would bluff into two villains oop, especially if one of them is loose. Not to mention, his line just screams that we're almost always running into the part of his range that got there on the river. I would expect to see a ton of Q10, J10, J9 here.

Second, upon re-evaluation you should fold if you feel this is the appropriate image of villain. Even if we feel that he is a weak, routine, reg-fish it's still most likely a fold because his call/call/donk range is way overloaded with hands hat beat us. Routine regfish show up with a lot of JsXs here. Only problem is that it's almost always J8+ and we only beat AsJs & KsJs.

I think you played the hand fine. I might bet slightly more on the turn, but that's fine. I would just fold here.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:43 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 top pair on river, villian bets into us, what do we do?

Thanks for the in depth reply.. Anyone else have any more theories here?
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:47 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 top pair on river, villian bets into us, what do we do?

Looks like a combo draw got there. Bet more on flop and more on turn, you are giving draws too good of a price to continue I would have potted the flop and 3/4 potted turn. As played river is a fold. V just c/c twice then leads into two players including the PFR on a connected board. One pair is good here almost never.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:49 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 top pair on river, villian bets into us, what do we do?

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Old 03-25-2014, 04:07 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 top pair on river, villian bets into us, what do we do?

Yea, your sizing is a little too small. It's not a huge mistake, but you should be leaning more towards full-sized pot bets in this situation (rather than 1/2 pot bets).

Fold the river.

This board is really connected; there are tons of combinations that beat our hand. Also, we don't beat any value hands... so we have to put villain on a stone cold bluff to call this.

We lose to basically any Qx... pretty unlikely he's betting $85 in this spot with Q7.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:59 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 top pair on river, villian bets into us, what do we do?

I think the river lead into 2 opponents is too strong of a line for TP to call. Seems like the T helped since he checked both flop and turn. Looks like 2-pr, since even JT would call flop with a GS, perhaps even FD. Fold.

Bet more for value OTF.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:01 PM   #8
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Pretty easy fold. As others have stated QX is pretty much never good here. Bet more on flop and turn though to give him bad drawing odds.

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Old 03-27-2014, 03:43 AM   #9
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Re: 1/2 top pair on river, villian bets into us, what do we do?

Ok. Cool. Thanks for the insight guys. I did end up folding & when I asked villian if he had QT he said no & he said "I probably had him beat", which means less than nothing but made me want to post this hand.
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