What do you guys do in this position?Effective stacks are $200, table started only a half hour or so before this hand so there are no relevant reads.

Hero (HJ) dealt JT UTG+1 makes it 7 to go, MP ,calls i call, SB BB and UTG call.

Flop ($35) J T 6
SB Bets $25, BB Calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP folds. Pot is now $110 Hero?

Was this a home game or a casino? (just wondering)

I'd raise to like $85 and then get the rest of it in on any turn. The point of the raise here is to charge the draws and the worse hands. Although, it seems that they wouldn't have called a normal raise anyways.

If this was at a casino with a bunch of fish at the table, shoving here isn't too bad, you'll get called down by fish with top pair and sometimes even w/ straight draws.

This was a "private" poker room, not a casino but I know very few of the people who play there. A raise to 85 here is only 60 more to any straight draw, 60 dollars more into a $190 pot is giving them outstanding odds to call any straight draw, and a top pair top kicker like hand is probably laying it down to a raise like that anyways.

You need to get 2 of the players out of there, so I would bet 85-100 on to of the 35, so 120-135 but since you only have $200 just get it in, better to win it now then get drawn out on by one of them. Half the deck can make a straight, 7,8,9,Q,K,A are all bad cards for you, someone can have AJ ,KQ, Q9, 89, so the only safe cards are 2,3,4,5.
If you just make it $85 if the SB calls the rest will follow.

Arrrrrr iiiiiinnnn.
Pot is 110 we have 190 and its 25 to us any reasonable raise puts us with a tiny amount might as well put it al in. That generally seems to look bluffier too. Shove it.

I'd call it. Raising looks way too strong (you are NEVER bluffing here). Get it in on 8 or lower turns, evaluate other turns. Pot is already big, no problem getting the rest in on the turn. It will be pretty hard to make a mistake on later streets with the button. We can also rep a missed draw or something on later streets to get value

ok, so to respond to the spoiler, you ARE NOT afraid of Q9, KQ or 89, they are drawing against you and if they call your all in raise, they are getting it in behind. I would raise all in here and expect to get called by these hands and a lot of TP/ Overpair type of hands.

I think this is a clear all in, if anyone had a better hand they would most likely have raised already. The problem with calling and getting it in on the turn is 1) you don't know which cards beat u and u may sometimes fold the best hand or call with the worst one 2)by calling your not forcing your opponents to make any mistakes and that in itself is a mistake 3)one of your opponents could easily turn a flushdraw/straightdraw + pair draw which has about the same equity in the pot as your hand.

If the players are really really poor and can stack off with TP or an overpair then jamming is good(obviously). But if any of these guys has over 7 brain cells then they will know that in this spot you have a monster every single time and if we jam and get called we are never ahead.

Seriously guys, you live players are so concerned about getting drawn out on and "protecting" your hands that you don't stop and think whether you can actually get called by worse if you raise? Raise for value or as a bluff, not for protection. Any 5nl'r knows this stuff.

You are not heads up, so you are against 3 other players, not one. If you just call what do you do on the turn? Any card higher then the board completes so many hands, if you think you have a monster here you are out of your mind, this hand is good on the flop more times then not but against 3 other players is is bound to get beat on the turn so you have to thin the field. What are you really putting the other 3 hands on? 2 have draws that can beat you for sure, maybe a pair and a over, or a straight draw, any over comes the J10 is nothing but a bluff catcher against 3 people.

So am i understanding this you want him to just slow play it? Top stacks are now at $168, the pot is $110, if you just call it is $135, You have just over a pot sized bet left after the call, now the turn is say a A, now what do you beat? KQ got there, A and a piece go there, If any over hit you are in the same situation, then the 7,8,9 is another set of problems. This hand you either thin the field by pushing all in, take it here or pray for a J,10. If you just call you are going to lose more often then win against 3 players.

Any wining internet player should know that
Passive internet player? go figure.

LOL, for the record I am a winning internet player and I don't know why you are trying to attack me. This is a forum where people are free to post their opinions and thought.

Your thought process shows that you are weak-tight and scared. Sure a card could come on the turn that gives us the 2nd best hand, but a card could come on the turn that improves someone else to a worse 2p that they will never get away from. Also calling disguises the strength of our hand which allows the PF raiser to keep putting money in the middle with a worse hand like over pairs or AJ.

Why do you want to "jam it and pray", why do you need to take it down here and now? We have a huge hand.

Bottom line is if the players will call our raise/shove with worse then we shove, if they won't call with worse (which they shouldn't be, w/o some sort of metagame) then we should call.

You attacked live players and gave no reason other then a you have a monster, which it is not, if we were playing a 3 card flop then yes but there are 2 cards to come on a very draw heavy board. There was an opening raise pre flop, the flop someone made 2/3 pot bet called by 2 other players, now what do you really think they have that can not easily out draw you? Over half the deck can beat your baby monster.

Come on winner, tell us all what a up and coming internet star would put these 3 other players on that he can afford to let them draw to another card for free? Give me a range for each and then you can LOL all you want.

say the turn is a K, how do you feel about your monster now? That monster is about as strong as Paris Hilton's Chihuahua now.

We do have a strong hand, its not as monster a hands as a set but its a good hand. The reason though that I don't like jamming is because we are probably not getting called by worse unless the other players are dumb.

Also this board is not very draw heavy. Its somewhat wet.

I play at this venue relatively often, and there is a very good share of weak players. I felt that the shove here, while for value, can be viewed as a bluff and induce a call that way or have a weak player with an over pair or TPTK make the call

Standard shove, you're happy to take it down now, rather than pricing in a couple of draws.

Might even get a call from a worse made hand.

Then why even make this thread?

Are you dense? If i knew the players i was playing with it would be much more obvious but the (3) villains were all unknowns.

If you don't know anything about them, then how can we know anything about them? We are as clueless as you on their abilities. If you feel they will call with worse then raise, easy game.

Raise for value here.
Protection is really a secondary concern.

I'm going all in for value and not "protection", by that I mean that I want the draws to call not fold because if they could see my hand they would fold and I believe that is the fundamental theory of poker, is it not? If they all fold then there is nothing we can do about that but we do get a consalation prize-a pot with more than half a starting stack in it. We have top 2 and a SPR of 1.5, how can getting it in ever be bad, unless your up against the nittiest players in the world. This is live 1-2 people will call with worse very often, whether they did this time or not is irrelevent. But just to play devils advocate, let's assume we know that most of the time everyone is going to fold to r all in does that mean we should just call with the best hand and basically give up our equity in the pot when 7,8,9,Q,K,A come on the turn.