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1/2 - Thin value spot vs TAGish reg 1/2 - Thin value spot vs TAGish reg

03-09-2015 , 01:50 AM
V1: waiting to go play the 2/5 and has been running like **** for the 2 orbits hes been at the table (down like 1.5-2BI since he sat down). Saw him "test the waters" by raising KJo in the SB after like 4 limps behind

V2: younger asian dude, taggish reg sitting to my left. Seen him overlimping a good amount of hands. Seems positionally aware as I saw him flat a PF raise with 98o while OTB vs a raise from the SB.

Stacks ~100bb

V1 raises to 10 in the HJ, Hero flats KJs OTB, V2 flats in the SB. 3 way to the flop

Flop: 24K rainbow

V2 checks, V1 checks, Hero bets 20. V1 folds, V2 calls 20

Turn: 6s

V2 checks, Hero checks

River: 9s (completing the bd flush)

V2 checks, Hero ???

This spot had me thinking because I feel like villains range after calling the flop is almost nearly 22,44,AK,KQs,KTs, and maybe TT or JJ and that betting for value is -EV here. Wanted opinions on that + the rest of the hand
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03-09-2015 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Shagz
V1: waiting to go play the 2/5 and has been running like **** for the 2 orbits hes been at the table (down like 1.5-2BI since he sat down). Saw him "test the waters" by raising KJo in the SB after like 4 limps behind

V2: younger asian dude, taggish reg sitting to my left. Seen him overlimping a good amount of hands. Seems positionally aware as I saw him flat a PF raise with 98o while OTB vs a raise from the SB.

Stacks ~100bb

V1 raises to 10 in the HJ, Hero flats KJs OTB, V2 flats in the SB. 3 way to the flop

Flop: 24K rainbow

V2 checks, V1 checks, Hero bets 20. V1 folds, V2 calls 20

Turn: 6s

V2 checks, Hero checks

River: 9s (completing the bd flush)

V2 checks, Hero ???

This spot had me thinking because I feel like villains range after calling the flop is almost nearly 22,44,AK,KQs,KTs, and maybe TT or JJ and that betting for value is -EV here. Wanted opinions on that + the rest of the hand
Guess I x back otf, underreping ur hand is not bad imo. U will get 2 streets of value often if u x, doubt any hand u beat pays u off three streets anyway.

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03-09-2015 , 03:59 AM
Has V2 PF raised before? I think it's pretty hard to put him on a bigger K, especially because you yourself just called on the button and could have almost any hand.

On the flop:
I think you're beaten by 22, 44, KQ. Maybe AK but very dubious.
I think you're beating KT, K9, A3, A4, and pocket pairs (55-TT).

I'd b/f turn. Pot $70, bet $35. He might fold draws, but I think he'd still call with his larger pockets and his smaller Kings.
If he calls, I'd consider betting the river small. Pot 140, I'd bet 50. Depends on if he's the type to jump on weakness or not.
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03-09-2015 , 06:01 AM
Wow after description of V2 why are we not betting turn? You say he overlimps too much and limped button with 98o. Doesn't sound very "tagish" and I am bet/folding $45 OTT.
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03-09-2015 , 11:22 AM
Yeah I agree with Pork here... I also don't think he is checking his 22/44 on the turn and the river (from the way you have described him I think he is going to start betting at some point)

But when you say he overlimps a lot.. then his range is probably a lot bigger than you think, he probably calls there with a lot of suited one gapper/two gapper type hands since he is calling in the SB for a 3 way pot a decent amount I think.

I would just bet the turn - if he raises me on the turn I can fold, but you are leaving too much value there. There is so much dead money against all of the hands he calls you with on the flop - every middy type pair, every weaker K, and then if you get a turn call you can check back on the river without being bummed about not extracting more from Kx, 45-56ss, 7s-Js type hands
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