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10-01-2017 , 12:10 PM
This post is mainly about how much or little to allow table dynamics to play into what would otherwise be a trivial decision. First the setting, then the dynamics and finally the decision.

Setting.
Woodbine Toronto, Saturday night, 1/2.
Most notable because Woodbine features virtual (no dealer) tables. I don't mind these tables at all (no mistakes, no tipping, more hands). But they can allow some normally forbidden behaviors.

Dynamics

Full, juicy table. At least 4 of 10 players seem novice - at least to virtual poker and the rest (with a couple of exceptions are passive, station-y or just non-conventional).

Basically all the dynamics in the game are revolving around one older gentleman (Villain 1) that is clearly playing his first time at these tables... (many many lost minutes re-explaining the virtual controls). He sat in with about $150 - but with an amazing run of rivers has it up to over 600. His first hand / first bet was to open $25. This was completely out of flow from our normal 6 - 16 open). Since then he seems to have shown a liking for multiples of 25. He's settled into a pattern of calling passively and occasionally donking for 25.. then betting turn for same amount (this is usually a draw or mid pair). When he occasionally bets big - and is called - he often has it. Seems very inclined to call big bets with viable draws (like gutshots) and has shown a tendency to hit them. Villain 1 is two seats to my right.

Villain 2 seems to be the only other aware/solid player. Often pre-flop raising and sprinkling some 3 bets. I've 3 bet him light now and then and he's folded. After one big hand where Villain 1 winds up rivering and doubling up... Villain 2 gets a seat change to my immediate right (1 to the left of Villain 2). After this seat change - Villain 2 starts relentlessly raising Villain 1's limps in an obvious attempt to isolate him. He literally raises about 50% of villain 1's limps (and calls Villain 1's opens).

One hand was interesting... V1 limps pre, V2 raises, all fold to V1 who calls. V1 leads 25 on dry board. V2 calls. V1 leads $25 again into dry board and V2 calls. OTR the board is 24Q8J rainbow. V1 leads $75 and V2 calls. V1 shows A3 for missed gutshot and V2 turns over AK.

In the two or three orbits since V2 seat changed and raised V1's limp I had come over the top and 3 bet a couple of times. On the most recent time ... it folded back to v2 and he did a virtual table thing... He indicated a 4 bet, paused, glanced at me, and then folded. (These tables have a 'feature' that require you to take an action...which is visible to the table ... and then 'confirm' it. But you can still cancel it and take a different action. Needless to say this enables all manner of string bets and shenanigans). I took this to mean that V2 had noticed that I was aware of his light iso's and was watching for it.

The decision

V1 OTB ($600+), V2 SB ($500+), Hero BB ($320).

6 way limped to V1 who limps along. V2 raises to 20. I look down at QQ and 3bet to 60. One limper calls all in for $15 and V1 cold calls. With the pot at $155 - V2 jams.

Call or Fold and why?
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10-01-2017 , 12:45 PM
It's a close one, but with your stack size remaining I am probably cry calling it off. His range probably includes PP's TT+, AKo, AKs, AQs. If he has KK or AA, god bless him. You have 52% equity against that range. If you remove TT and go with JJ+ you have 47% equity, enough to make it a call in my eyes.
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10-01-2017 , 01:43 PM
Really tough spot. I was dealing with a similar situation with a drunk to my left and a lag to his left Saturday, so I'll be interested to see other responses but here's my .02. Calling or folding depends on what you think V1 is going to do. If you think V1 would call it off light, this is a fist pump call. Even with that tight range JTM presents that gives you 47% equity with V2, if V1 comes along with 88+, AJs+, AQo+ (which is probably tighter than what I would expect from V1) along with the tighter range from V2, you've got 36% equity. If you put TT back in V2 range, which I think he's possibly even weaker due to the perceived dead money to V2 from V1, you're up to 38% equity. If you're not sure that V1 would stack off, I would be leery of making the call because you're going to find better spots to isolate V1 later either without V2 in the way or at the top end of your range.
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10-01-2017 , 04:42 PM
I find it easier to think in terms of whether he could do this with a certain hand, then make the decision. It comes down to whether you think he could shove over with AKo. If yes, you're getting pot odds to call. If not, then you fold.

Based on he's a solid player that thinks you're 3 betting light, I think you have to call. He should be able to do this with AKo.
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10-01-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Based on he's a solid player that thinks you're 3 betting light, I think you have to call. He should be able to do this with AKo.
I snap called. V1 sat and pondered and eventually folded his napkins to the 130bb 4-bet and overcall. V2 turned over AA.

I think this player was quite capable to make that 4bet with a much broader range. I put AK squarely in his range... maybe all the way down to AQ/TT+. And based on his previous play I just don't give him much of a 3bet flat OOP.

So it goes.

Back to the meta game dynamics..... given that V2 was clearly, blatantly iso'ing V1 as long as he had that nice stack... what the best general approach for me given my position to V2's left? I felt that flatting his raises light would just be starting a parade.
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