1/2, 9 handed, $275 effective with LJ, $200 effective with UTG. Hero has only been playing with villain a half hour, but is clearly a loose rec. LJ plays either super wild or slightly loose of center and slightly passive of center - so far tonight it's been the latter. Hero has a TAG and winning image to LJ, probably unknown to UTG.

OTTH

UTG opens $7, hero 3 bets to $25 UTG +1 with T 9 - I like going $30, because $20 opens in the first half hour of play have been going 2-4 ways every time, so I feel like $25 is still the gray area. Anyways, LJ and UTG call.

Flop ($78): T 7 3. X around.

Turn ($78): 9. UTG checks, hero bets $70, and only LJ calls.

River ($218): K. Hero?

$90. Probably can explo fold to a raise here (it’s always QJ) and you are strong enough to bet for value.

Edit: Oh and +1 to below about not 3! pre. In fact just fold pre.

I hate the 3bet preflop. This is 9-handed right? I know from some of your other posts that you are trying to establish an active 3betting range but I think you are going overboard. I suppose it could be fine to mix in every now and then, but your 3betting range for value in this position should be supremely tight (roughly QQ+, AK).

The average UTG range is strong enough here that he'll rarely be folding. Furthermore, you have 7 players behind you and expecting to get through all of them is a longshot.

I think the river is close between $100/fold and x/c. Your hand is likely strong enough to bet for value, but I also think this is one of your best hands to bluff-catch with on a board with plenty of possible bluffs. Both options are probably close in value.

Yes, 9 handed. If we're betting, why not just shove?

I agree pre is ool. In the moment my thoughts were that I had seen him raise once prior and it was to $12 and was an open as well (probably should've included that in the post), so I assumed he was doing what every other LLSNL villain does and raise bigger with big hands and smaller with weaker hands and that continuing ranges for anyone not UTG are normally very narrow vs a 3 bet.

Pre too aggro utg1 vs utg.
Ap about half pot, I'm not shoving because you know have all perceived AK combos which have hit, and you want Hero calls from middle pairs

As played, AI for < PSB.

Pre - don't know table dynamic, so I think fold > 3b @ 100 bbs eff vs. an UTG raising range.

Flop - bet for value.

It seems your opponents are playing passively. I would not expect a bluff here, especially because you 3bet preflop so that might be afraid of your hand. I'd bet for value a third pot (80) to get paid off by a ten. Do you plan to fold to a shove?

I think flop is pretty borderline between bet and check...It's hard to get value with such a bad kicker, and it also strengthens our checking range by checking.

I do like shove, but KT and QJ got there...Do you like checking to induce at all? Vs a good player I think this river is a x-c.

Idk, that'd be such a weird spot, I'd probably cry call.

I like a flop bet for value and protection from random over cards that are in a 3b calling range. On this flop, we would also continue with big suited cards. With a passive player behind, it's an ez B/F to his raise.

If the player leans passive, I wouldn't X river.

Fold or call pre. 3betting loose utg raisers with T9 isn't what you want to do. If there are squeezers behind I like folding more but if everyone behind is bad then call can be ok but will never be great.

AP bet flop and try to win the hand now. LJ will have to play honestly against a cbet with the utg raiser behind and you are showing a lot of strength.

The hand is played strangely... check flop pot turn. What do you think LJ range is to flat the 3b pre?

You’re not getting value from Tx when you bet the flop. You’re denying equity to random overs and getting value from 99/88/66/55/89 type stuff. If you want to strengthen your checking range do it HU as an exploit with stronger hands (AA/KK). I still don’t recommend that.

What do we expect our villain to value shove otr and still be good against? Anything he really reps in that spot for value crushes us, and I wonder if he'll ever be bluffing at a frequency that allows us to call profitably. Wouldn't a b/f be a better line?

I honestly thought this was exclusively a x-c or shove spot, betting anything else didn't cross my mind...

Interesting. What worse do you think villain will call with when we jam? I wonder if such a large bet would restrict his calling range to only hands that beat us. Fwiw, I also like a check call line against a reasonable bet so long as our villain isn't passive.

I was actually talking about the river

I would assume his call range is similar vs jam and non jam size, and we get put in a bad spot if we bet less than all in and get shoved on. It feels weak checking 2p to a bad player, but I agree - there's not too much to pay us off. Maybe AT, QT, JT finds the hero?

My post was not directed at you.

Bet flop shove turn.

AP, check river and call.

Our hand is good enough to get value from something like KJ, KhXh, or maybe KQ -- something that turned a draw and improved to top pair.

We would have to bet something really small on the river to have a prayer of folding to a shove correctly, something in the $25 to $50 range.

I think we should just shove here for value -- our money is going in better than if we check/call -- and if the villain shows up with KT or K9, well, bless their pointy little head.

ETA: I don't like preflop, but I am not going to say flat-out that it is bad. It would be better in a higher-stakes game against people who know what they are doing, but against 1-2 droolers it is somewhat fancy play.

The issue with this hand is the PF 3-bet with T9s from UTG+1. Just don't do it, although I like the fact that you want to mix in some different hands to your 3! range. But your position is too early, and if you get 4! you will have to fold. This hand wants to see a flop, so I am fine with calling here, and hopefully we get a lot of callers behind, so we can win a big pot when we hit. Folding this PF is fine too, just depends on how aggressive the players behind you are. Can you comment on their 3-bet frequencies?

AP - I think you have to bet this flop. You made top-pair, and everyone checks to you. Protect it.
Turn card is great for you. Of course bet, but I wonder why you bet this card big, but won't bet the flop?
River is easy, you should bet half-pot and hope to get called by Khxh.

If you got beat by something like 99 or 86, then that is your punishment for not betting the flop.