Hero($200)BB: 20s African American/Asian female. New to playing poker but plays it full time. Learning new strategies everyday. Brand new table. Hero has not played any hands within this 1st orbit.

Villian #1($700+) UTG+2: early 50s cauasian woman. Very aggressive. One orbit had just passed And she has gotten her stacks to $700 from her original $200-300 start.makes werid bets like $70 preflop when it's a limp pot or shoves on a flop. She doubled her stacks with the nut flush. So It has worked out for her so far.

Hero has 35

8 way limped to hero and she also limps

Flop ($16) 478

Hero makes it $13

Villian #1 calls everyone folds.

Turn is 3

Hero thinks for a minute and decides to bet $35

Villian says something to the other players and makes it $200

Hero???

35s makes very few nut straights.

Even fewer winning flushes.

Play bigger suited cards, even in position.

Let's assume (or pretend) all our straight and flush outs are clean.

Nine flush outs (counting the ones that pair the board), and three non-diamond straight outs. And we have to improve to win.

At best we only have twelve outs once, we have not quite 25% equity which makes us a 3 to 1 dog.

Most players reduce their "outs" somewhat when playing cards that should have been folded pre-flop to estimate the number of times we are drawing dead, but even with 12 outs...

Calling $165 to win $250? That's nowhere near 3 to 1.

Whether it actually came after we folded or didn't come, whatever, it would be a losing play to call the $165.

How many of these underdog spots are we willing to lose in a row? It could be a long day drawing so thin.

Sorry if there is confusion. I was big blind so I technically just checked not limped preflop

So you are in the big blind? To be clear, you didn't limp, you just checked, correct?

In a family pot like this I'm just checking this flop. You're never going to get the 8 or 9 folds here. Just check and play accordingly.

On the turn when you somehow get it heads up I think your bet is OK. That card gives you more equity and doesn't really connect with any of villains hands. Your bottom pair doesn't really have any showdown value here, but a double barrel might be all it takes to get your villain off of a hand like A7 here.

Unfortunately you have to fold to the shove. Against villains like this you will have to take a stand and call off your stack with hands you normally wouldn't, but this just isn't that hand. Wait until you have a strong top pair or 2 pair+. Bottom pair + outs looks good, but unless she is on a bluff you can't call here.

I check the flop. Maybe call one time, but you may make your hand and still be unhappy. A 6 gives 9-10 the nuts. You can’t be sure about a diamond. You either win a small pot with this hand or lose a large one.

Turbo muck. We need 37% equity 165/(42+35+200+165). A gutter and a bad flush draw are not gonna be good in this spot.

Check flop. As played check turn. As played easy fold.

Exactly this

I’d call now. She’s a moron and you have huge equity and possibly the best hand.

Insta-fold. Not even close to how we beat maniacs.

Yep. It's possible OP is ahead of some other type of combo-draw, but I don't think it'll be the case often enough to influence our decision. We'd need every single possible out to be clean to approach 37% (FD/SD/Trips/2p) , and it's obvious why this will pretty much never be the case.

When I'm very multi-way from the blinds with this type of hand, I don't like leading at all. The pot is small since it's a limped pot, so it's very difficult to generate any FE by just leading. All we're doing is bloating the pot OOP with 5 high and some draws that could easily be dominated. I like either c/c and try to make your hand getting a goid price, or potentially c/r flop which allows us to leverage our stack and our hand's raw equity to generate a lot more folds. My default is to c/c in this spot.

it was just really hard to read this woman because she was everywhere. Like if she was a decent non maniac, I would think her $200 was her trying to buy me off my one pair because she has a flush draw. But I personally don't think she was even considering it. I agree I shouldn't have bet on the flop. check calling the flop would have been best.

Remember this poker axiom the next time you get to play a weak hand OOP: "You win less money OOP than you do IP & you lose more OOP than you do IP."

You bet $13 OOP for an amount that was damn near pot size on a flop that was highly connected [for limped drawing hands] with a flush draw on board! You have 7 Vs so it's highly likely someone has your flush draw crushed.